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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7980457" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Could you get a quote that tells us all bards would show off their magic?Really? How soon after the invention of magic are PCs adventuring? I certainly haven't seen that anywhere in any book I've ever read. I mean, after all, I could be running an adventure in Faerun during the time of the creator races, nothing really stops me from doing so after all. And yes, in a certain point in a world's history, it would look like Eberron with magic being quite broadly common. At a certain point they would have space ships and AIs and be in our future too. Time works like that.There is nothing like magic in the real world Max. That is why it is the thing we dream about. With this position then everything we can ever say about Magic is impossible to equivalate to anything. If you want to turtle up behind that then I'm done talking, because you can just say "nuh-uh, magic isn't like that" to literally anything I say.See, but you don't actually need anything about magic for that to be the case. Heck, let us say magic is as easy as teaching algebra. Then, a hundred years ago, a Demon Horde appeared and started killing anyone who knew magic and dragging their souls to the Abyss. How many magic-users are in the setting at the start of your adventure a hundred years later?Or, you can just say that magic is hard to learn and expensive. If it costs a million dollars to even attempt to learn from a mage, would you be able to afford it right now? A college education is actually out of the reach of most people in the country, that is why loan programs exist, because the majority of people who go to college can't actually afford it. Take away the loans, and have each wizard only take ona few apprentices, and boom, wizards are rare again, with no need for anything else.According to Max's arguments, these would both present the same problem, Because those secret guilds would teach their families magic, and then those kids would teach their kids, and then everyone will know magic. And the time doesn't matter, because in Max's example, everyone wants to learn magic and it doesn't matter how long it will take because magic is powerful and everyone wants it.See, Max's point (as it has been presented to me) is that the only explanation for magic being rare that works is that you have to be born magical. If it can be taught, then everyone will learn it and use it by the time the adventure starts. That is what I'm trying to argue against.</blockquote>

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