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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7983023" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>I understand the ideal, and I never said the other way was better. But the design team hasn't exactly been ambitious as of late with their choices.</p><p></p><p>And there is absolutely no reasons that a Psion should not be able to use Telekinesis and Telepathy, if it is meant to be the main class, even if they would specialize in only one of those uses. </p><p></p><p>I'm not sure I agree with essentially creating a fourth set of abilities though. You would have spells, racial abilities like you listed, the telepathy abilities of the subclass, then the telepathy abilities of the main class. That begins being quite a few levels of design for the same thematic ability (talk to someone's mind). </p><p></p><p>And to show where issues start arising:</p><p></p><p>A multiple person telepathy over a large radius though is exactly what the Telepathic Bond spell does, though it has an hour limit. The Telepathy spell is world-wide to a single person for a day and allows the transmission of sensations. Sending it a quick message anywhere in the multiverse to a single individual.</p><p></p><p>So, where does the Psion telepath fall along this curve. For most people, Telepathic bond is plenty powerful for what they want (eight people for an hour, no range limit) so if the psion is more powerful than that, where do we go? Give them an equivlaent to an 8th level spell by mid-levels? </p><p></p><p>I know you want Psions to be "better" at these things than Wizards, but what does that actually look like in practice if we aren't going to start with the spells as a baseline measure? And how do we keep balance if we essentially create "wizard with these spells but better and stronger"?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 7983023, member: 6801228"] I understand the ideal, and I never said the other way was better. But the design team hasn't exactly been ambitious as of late with their choices. And there is absolutely no reasons that a Psion should not be able to use Telekinesis and Telepathy, if it is meant to be the main class, even if they would specialize in only one of those uses. I'm not sure I agree with essentially creating a fourth set of abilities though. You would have spells, racial abilities like you listed, the telepathy abilities of the subclass, then the telepathy abilities of the main class. That begins being quite a few levels of design for the same thematic ability (talk to someone's mind). And to show where issues start arising: A multiple person telepathy over a large radius though is exactly what the Telepathic Bond spell does, though it has an hour limit. The Telepathy spell is world-wide to a single person for a day and allows the transmission of sensations. Sending it a quick message anywhere in the multiverse to a single individual. So, where does the Psion telepath fall along this curve. For most people, Telepathic bond is plenty powerful for what they want (eight people for an hour, no range limit) so if the psion is more powerful than that, where do we go? Give them an equivlaent to an 8th level spell by mid-levels? I know you want Psions to be "better" at these things than Wizards, but what does that actually look like in practice if we aren't going to start with the spells as a baseline measure? And how do we keep balance if we essentially create "wizard with these spells but better and stronger"? [/QUOTE]
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