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<blockquote data-quote="Shiroiken" data-source="post: 8942374" data-attributes="member: 6775477">Usually the key to this is player expectations. During a teaching game of Lost Mines of Phandelver, one player convinced the group to take on the green dragon... at level 2. He used the 4E mentality of &quot;they wouldn't put it in if we couldn't beat it&quot; (his words), and the obvious TPK happened. The group was shocked, particularly the 4E player, but it helped set the expectations for them that character can, and will, die if they make bad decisions.My group knows my DM style, and they're quite aware that the game world is no more fair than real life is. The key difference is that they also know that running away and negotiating are viable tactics, so fighting to the death isn't always a necessity. Conversely, they know I've included morale into the game, so sometimes the enemies will retreat/surrender, even if they could technically win the fight at the cost of several of their lives.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shiroiken, post: 8942374, member: 6775477"] Usually the key to this is player expectations. During a teaching game of Lost Mines of Phandelver, one player convinced the group to take on the green dragon... at level 2. He used the 4E mentality of "they wouldn't put it in if we couldn't beat it" (his words), and the obvious TPK happened. The group was shocked, particularly the 4E player, but it helped set the expectations for them that character can, and will, die if they make bad decisions. My group knows my DM style, and they're quite aware that the game world is no more fair than real life is. The key difference is that they also know that running away and negotiating are viable tactics, so fighting to the death isn't always a necessity. Conversely, they know I've included morale into the game, so sometimes the enemies will retreat/surrender, even if they could technically win the fight at the cost of several of their lives. [/QUOTE]

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