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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Green Knight" data-source="post: 3872725" data-attributes="member: 2723">I think the 3.5 vampire sucks. But if the choice is between keeping it as it is, or changing it so that it makes for a better PC, then I vote for keeping it the way it is. That idiotic Slam Attack is vastly preferable to seeing a host of "Children of the Night" (TM) players doing stupid things in combat with vampires just so they can be turned into one and become an Uber-Killy Vampire of Doom. And it's also better then seeing a watered down and cheapened version of the vampire in order to keep it from making any turned PC's from becoming grossly more powerful then the rest of the party.    I was talking about vampire turning methods from books, not D&D (Although I'd prefer that method, myself, because otherwise, the world would be quickly overrun by vampires). Either way, whichever method they decide to adopt should they decide to change vampires in 4E, it still isn't something that would occur in combat. Vampires create other vampires by getting their victims alone, dominating them (or simply holding them down with their inhuman strength), and then drinking their blood. They don't do it while they're being peppered with sword hits, arrow shots, and spell blasts.</blockquote>