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<blockquote data-quote="Deset Gled" data-source="post: 3872767" data-attributes="member: 7808">If that's what the OP's after, he needs to start from a 4e standpoint, not just making general complaints that go against the very nature of how vampires have worked in the past.&nbsp; For example, how do you make the transitions described work in a system where monsters will not be following the same rules and creation system that PCs do?&nbsp;&nbsp; Or, how can you describe vampires as a talent tree?&nbsp; How can you fit vampires into any of the flavor that we've seen?&nbsp; What part role can a vampire fit, and how are vampires supposed to work in the new settings?Making vampires work as described by the OP in any edition of D+D is, to me, essentially the same as trying to make Battletech style mechas or Star Wars style space battles work in D+D.&nbsp; Sure, you could if you want to muck around enough.&nbsp; But I don't think it should be a primary design consideration for a new edition.&nbsp; I stand by my original stance that the OP doesn't need 4e, they need a different base system.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Deset Gled, post: 3872767, member: 7808"] If that's what the OP's after, he needs to start from a 4e standpoint, not just making general complaints that go against the very nature of how vampires have worked in the past. For example, how do you make the transitions described work in a system where monsters will not be following the same rules and creation system that PCs do? Or, how can you describe vampires as a talent tree? How can you fit vampires into any of the flavor that we've seen? What part role can a vampire fit, and how are vampires supposed to work in the new settings? Making vampires work as described by the OP in any edition of D+D is, to me, essentially the same as trying to make Battletech style mechas or Star Wars style space battles work in D+D. Sure, you could if you want to muck around enough. But I don't think it should be a primary design consideration for a new edition. I stand by my original stance that the OP doesn't need 4e, they need a different base system. [/QUOTE]

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