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<blockquote data-quote="Hella_Tellah" data-source="post: 3873171" data-attributes="member: 52669">A vampire in an evil party, with a cleric that rebukes, would be fine--the cleric would use his turn attempts to bolster the vampire.&nbsp; As for sunlight, plenty of groups include Drow, goblins, and true orcs as PCs, and 4e will almost certainly allow for playing Drow and goblins, at least.&nbsp; They don't necessarily need illusions to interact socially, but they might need ranks in Bluff or Disguise.&nbsp; Most of us will be portraying tieflings as outcasts and untouchables in our campaigns, anyway, so they'll need the same treatment.These problems aren't insurmountable with well-designed mechanics.&nbsp; The whole point of my original post was that, in 3.X, they are effectively insurmountable, and 4e should rework those monsters so they don't break the game if a PC gets bitten.&nbsp; Do you have any suggestions for how that might be accomplished?&nbsp; The option already exists in the core rules of D&amp;D 3.X, and I propose that those rules should be improved for 4th edition.&nbsp; There are plenty of people advocating their complete removal; is that what you propose?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hella_Tellah, post: 3873171, member: 52669"] A vampire in an evil party, with a cleric that rebukes, would be fine--the cleric would use his turn attempts to bolster the vampire. As for sunlight, plenty of groups include Drow, goblins, and true orcs as PCs, and 4e will almost certainly allow for playing Drow and goblins, at least. They don't necessarily need illusions to interact socially, but they might need ranks in Bluff or Disguise. Most of us will be portraying tieflings as outcasts and untouchables in our campaigns, anyway, so they'll need the same treatment. These problems aren't insurmountable with well-designed mechanics. The whole point of my original post was that, in 3.X, they are effectively insurmountable, and 4e should rework those monsters so they don't break the game if a PC gets bitten. Do you have any suggestions for how that might be accomplished? The option already exists in the core rules of D&D 3.X, and I propose that those rules should be improved for 4th edition. There are plenty of people advocating their complete removal; is that what you propose? [/QUOTE]

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