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Message: <blockquote data-quote="grimslade" data-source="post: 3873866" data-attributes="member: 6061">In my imaginary world view, vampires don't get to be PCs. Infected Lycanthropes at least have a portion of time when they are not flesh eating beasts. Vampires are always on.Now if you want to have vampire PCs in 3.X, you would need a Reluctant Vampire PrC to simulate the advancing into powers. Maybe the vampire template needs to be applied to character as a pre-requisite for the PrC. Screw balance at this point it's not going to happen.Take the vampires powers and scatter them over 10 levels. Go team bloodsucker!In 4E, it looks like you will be able to granularize the vampire into the racial talent tree or feat system. A slow progression of abilities as your link to the Shadowfell grows stronger. Maybe this is what the Shadow pact warlock will be like.</blockquote>