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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 4994954" data-attributes="member: 2205">Ah, but see here you are failing to separate what you like about RPGs from what is inherent and objective about RPGs.  I like that too; don't get me wrong.  But just because that's what I like, I don't try to claim that that's an objective quality of RPGs.  It's just a quality of an RPG that I would be interested in playing.Also (and not directed at you, Shaman), I think we've kinda lost sight here of the fact that Hussar's admittedly kinda extreme example aside, we're talking about GMs who like to plan a bit of plot into the game.  How we got to such an extreme of "that's not even a game anymore!" I'm not sure (and I don't have the patience to go back through the thread and find out).  I think these rather extremist claims really don't help meaningful discussion.</blockquote>