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<blockquote data-quote="Vyvyan Basterd" data-source="post: 5001967" data-attributes="member: 4892">But it is you that is choosing to ignore a definition that has an applicable definition to others. I'm not asking you to make a case as to why other definitions of the word &quot;game&quot; are not applicable to this discussion, it is obvious we can agree on those. But you have failed to prove the first definition of game invalid and thus you are dismissing it. You may not be saying that that type of amusement is inferior, but you are coming off to me as inferring such by dismissing the possibility that someone could create a game in such a sense outside of your definition.Besides, by the literal definition you've chosen, RPGs in their current form are not games because they are not intended to be competitive.Since no real world example exists I will try my hand at it:Framework: Batman is after the Joker. How does he catch him?Players: 3, 1 as Batman, 1 as the Joker, 1 as other world inhabitantsStructure: Each player assumes the role of their character and describes what he or she is doing.Conflict Resolution: Mutual agreement.If the players' intents are not to present this in any form of media to an audience and are solely playing for their own enjoyment, then the above would qualify as a game in my opinion. Could this be just a discussion? Yes, if the people involved were talking about the characters instead of taking their roles. Many things in life are not games in and of themsleves, but could be made into a game. Drinking. Not a game, but certainly turned into one by teens, college students and nostalgic adults.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vyvyan Basterd, post: 5001967, member: 4892"] But it is you that is choosing to ignore a definition that has an applicable definition to others. I'm not asking you to make a case as to why other definitions of the word "game" are not applicable to this discussion, it is obvious we can agree on those. But you have failed to prove the first definition of game invalid and thus you are dismissing it. You may not be saying that that type of amusement is inferior, but you are coming off to me as inferring such by dismissing the possibility that someone could create a game in such a sense outside of your definition. Besides, by the literal definition you've chosen, RPGs in their current form are not games because they are not intended to be competitive. Since no real world example exists I will try my hand at it: Framework: Batman is after the Joker. How does he catch him? Players: 3, 1 as Batman, 1 as the Joker, 1 as other world inhabitants Structure: Each player assumes the role of their character and describes what he or she is doing. Conflict Resolution: Mutual agreement. If the players' intents are not to present this in any form of media to an audience and are solely playing for their own enjoyment, then the above would qualify as a game in my opinion. Could this be just a discussion? Yes, if the people involved were talking about the characters instead of taking their roles. Many things in life are not games in and of themsleves, but could be made into a game. Drinking. Not a game, but certainly turned into one by teens, college students and nostalgic adults. [/QUOTE]

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