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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5011693" data-attributes="member: 18280">Please.You can imagine a player (GM) so talented as to arrange a whole world to match a group of PCs, but you cannot imagine a player (player) so talented as to arrange a PC so as to take advantage of the world presented?Frankly, I have a hard time believing that the people you game with are so inept at creativity, or so unable to use background information to link their characters to the (known) world in a meaningful way.  I have certainly never met anyone who, while playing, was unable to do the same.And, while "How much beer can Hussar drink while playing chess" may be a game, if you and I sit down to play chess, and we didn't agree to play "How much beer can Hussar drink while playing chess", then you are playing a form of solitaire.Thus, a player can have any goal he likes when he sits down to play chess. His goal can be to drink as much beer as humanly possible. However, that goal is not the goal of chess, and it matters not one whit whether his beer capacity is known or unknown when he sits down when determining whether or not he is playing chess while drinking beer.  It has no bearing on whether or not chess is a game (the context bit you....accidently?....cut).  Because, despite your claim that is simply wrong.  Once more you fail to understand what you are reading. There is nothing in what you quoted that says drunk chess cannot be a game, or is not a game.  It states that whether or not you have a goal of getting drunk has nothing to do with whether or not chess is a game.  And, therefore, even if you know how much you can drink, or how drunk you will get, whether or not the outcome of that goal is known doesn't matter when determining that chess is a game.Can a game change to meet the goals of the players?  Sure.  There are many varieties of chess, poker, etc.  RCFG is a changed game to meet the goals of the players.  "Drunk chess" can be the same.  And, if I have a goal to stay sober while playing drunk chess, then that is a goal secondary to the game of drunk chess, and has no bearing on whether or not drunk chess is a game.In conclusion, yes, this is more of your InterWeb Shuffle.It might be of some benefit, when someone points out that you failed to understand the argument you are replying to, if, rather than simply declaring that you understand it, you took a moment to make sure that you actually did.RC</blockquote>

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