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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5012853" data-attributes="member: 22779">I play with players for which this is not an issue.&nbsp; Our playstyles match.&nbsp; So, tbh, I can't really answer you.&nbsp; We also spend the entire first session collectively creating characters, so, unless said player is sitting in the corner playing on his Iphone, he's going to create a character tied to the rest of the party and the campaign.An example of one method I used to great effect can be found: <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/239705-interesting-method-group-chargen-my-players-stay-out.html" target="_blank">here</a>.So your sandbox appears to be similar to Primitive Screwhead's.&nbsp; The sandbox is kinda sorta there, but can be altered as needed by the players with the collaboration of the DM.&nbsp; Sounds like a fun game.&nbsp;&nbsp; Never said that it did.&nbsp; See below for more.&nbsp;Actually, before the campaign begins, I probably have no idea if they have a home base.&nbsp; I have no idea what politics are going on and how the PC's fit into that.&nbsp; As far as uncovering locations, that's a pretty broad question.&nbsp; Why are they doing that?&nbsp; What prompted them?&nbsp; My point is, all those details are given to me by the players when they create their characters.&nbsp; The players, with me, create the campaign and the campaign is tailored specifically for this group of characters.&nbsp; Nothing is interchangeable. ------------------------While I realize throughout this thread, I've been arguing for a specific kind of game, it should not be thought that I always run this kind of game, nor do I think it's superior.&nbsp; I've run sandbox games (World's Largest Dungeon is a good example).&nbsp; I've run lots of different kinds of games.&nbsp; My point here has been to simply present an alternative.People consistently claim that sandbox campaigns are the epitome of gaming.&nbsp; I disagree.&nbsp; I find they're fantastic for swashbuckling, beer and pretzels games where the players just want to have a blast and kill some goblins.&nbsp; However, I don't find that sandbox games - games where the world is independent of the players - lead to very deep games.&nbsp; I find the reverse is true, either as a player or a DM.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5012853, member: 22779"] I play with players for which this is not an issue. Our playstyles match. So, tbh, I can't really answer you. We also spend the entire first session collectively creating characters, so, unless said player is sitting in the corner playing on his Iphone, he's going to create a character tied to the rest of the party and the campaign. An example of one method I used to great effect can be found: [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/239705-interesting-method-group-chargen-my-players-stay-out.html]here[/url]. So your sandbox appears to be similar to Primitive Screwhead's. The sandbox is kinda sorta there, but can be altered as needed by the players with the collaboration of the DM. Sounds like a fun game. Never said that it did. See below for more. Actually, before the campaign begins, I probably have no idea if they have a home base. I have no idea what politics are going on and how the PC's fit into that. As far as uncovering locations, that's a pretty broad question. Why are they doing that? What prompted them? My point is, all those details are given to me by the players when they create their characters. The players, with me, create the campaign and the campaign is tailored specifically for this group of characters. Nothing is interchangeable. ------------------------ While I realize throughout this thread, I've been arguing for a specific kind of game, it should not be thought that I always run this kind of game, nor do I think it's superior. I've run sandbox games (World's Largest Dungeon is a good example). I've run lots of different kinds of games. My point here has been to simply present an alternative. People consistently claim that sandbox campaigns are the epitome of gaming. I disagree. I find they're fantastic for swashbuckling, beer and pretzels games where the players just want to have a blast and kill some goblins. However, I don't find that sandbox games - games where the world is independent of the players - lead to very deep games. I find the reverse is true, either as a player or a DM. [/QUOTE]

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