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Message: <blockquote data-quote="francisca" data-source="post: 1506224" data-attributes="member: 9734">And in 1E AD&D and Basic/Expert:Roll d20, add strength, magic weapon bonus, etcReport total to DMDM cross refs you total against a target number on a chart, based upon target's AC and your class/level.1 addition and one lookup/comparison.I was out of gaming from shortly before 2E to about 2000, when I started playing 1E again, and started my own 3E game in 2001.  When I found out about THAC0, after the factm, I thought it was a horrible mess.  I never had any trouble looking at a chart to figure out if an attack was a hit or miss, and just don't get why THAC0 was introduced in the first place.I find my 3E group spends far too much time figuring out how to apply feat/skill/situational modifiers and how they apply to certain situations.  And I don't mean arguing about stuff, I mean working together to come to a consensus about what the hell a rule means, and if it applies to the current situation.  The mechanic may be streamlined and elegant, but figuring out that "misc modifier" takes way too long.  A year ago, I thought it was lack of familiarity and being set in my ways that made me feel this way.  Today, I am certain that though the dicing is simpler, and a "higher number is always better" is a good thing, I find d20 to be way more complicated than 1E and Basic/Expert.  I don't buy the idea that it is easier to learn, at all, as there are just too many situational modifiers (see below *).  I think in the big hurry to minimize the fun-wrecking effect of crappy DMs, they went a bit too far.  And you guys who grouse about class level limits in the previous editions, here's an idea: Rule 0.  Toss them out.  I have in some games, kept them in others.  It's fun either way.Now, having ranted, overall, I like 3E/3.5E quite a bit.  I wouldn't be running a 3.5 game if I didn't.  I could happilly be living in the past with all my 1E and Basic/Expert material for as long as I game.  And I have my gripes about the older versions of the game as well, but no system is perfect.* We had a complete newbie at the table last night, just observing.  He was amazed at all of the stuff that had to be accounted for.  Have any of you ever played a slimmed down version of 3E, where maybe you toss out AOO, flanking, trip attacks, or other things?  How did it pan out?</blockquote>

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