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Message: <blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 1508856" data-attributes="member: 5171">Haven't played Midnight, but M&M took me all of ten minutes to learn.  Character creation in M&M is one of those "minute to learn, lifetime to master" deals, but as a player, I could take the archetypes from the book, tweak 'em for flavor, and have a character ready to go inside of fifteen minutes -- and if I had the book open to the "damage" section, I'd be in good shape to play.  The fundamental concept of "d20+X" is pretty much unchangd.Don't be obtuse.  You strongly implied that anyone complaining about the math was an ineffectual product of our poor beleagured educational system.  If you don't see that you implied that, then perhaps you should take a break from math and take a few English classes.I'd say "Best of luck to you."  I wouldn't head over to a FUDGE messageboard and use my first hundred posts to talk about what a lame system FUDGE is and how we should all play GURPS instead.Your point being...?  You were arguing that 3.x D&D was too far removed from AD&D, and then you were arguing that 3.x D&D is not that far removed from AD&D, and now you're nitpicking about individual aspects of 3.x D&D.  Skills are significantly different in that they're actually useful now, and in that rogue abilities have been integrated into skills.  Any class can now use any skill (with cross-class limitations, of course), allowing greater flexibility.  Ability scores now have a consistent modifier across the board.  At this point, you head off into nitpick territory, which is not invalid as a board discussion, but which is also not particularly relevant to this conversation.That's not actually what trolling means.  Trolling is walking into the International House of Pancakes and saying, "Man, don't you just hate pancakes?  Pancakes used to be good, but nowadays, they've been turned into this gutter-trash food that only lower-class idiots would ever want to eat.  I can't understand why anyone would eat pancakes when they could be having quiche.  I don't mean to offend anyone eating pancakes, but it just seems like they're a bunch of in-bred mouth-breathers who keep mindlessly shoveling slab after mushy slab of bland pancake into their gluttonous maws."  Which, give or take a few lines about the inadequacy of maple syrup, is what you've done.And no, your education doesn't actually mean squat here on the Net.  Telling people how educated you are will almost never result in people going, "Oh, sorry, we thought you were full of it, but now that we see that you have a very advanced degree, we're going to respect you," firstly because you could be lying, secondly because you could have gotten your very advanced degree by mail order, thirdly because it doesn't really have anything to do with the conversation (unless your degree is in game design), and fourthly because there are a whole lotta folks with degrees of all stripes.</blockquote>

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