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<blockquote data-quote="Belen" data-source="post: 1509243" data-attributes="member: 1405">Well, I have only lurked in this thread, but I will reply to this one.&nbsp; While you may not be intentionally trolling, you're arguments do sound trollish and it is very hard to pay attention to them.&nbsp; Also, you're math arguments come off as a bit elitist.&nbsp; I once met a guy who said the same thing when I bought the 3e PHB for my fiance.&nbsp; He asked why I played 3e.&nbsp; I said &quot;Because the rules are clearer and easier to understand.&nbsp; I can train new gamers within a few hours and they can join the game and contribute even if they are not a master.&quot;&nbsp; He reply &quot;but stuff like ThaCo kept the stupid people from playing.&quot;&nbsp; This is inherently, an elitist argument.You can probably ask some of the people here about my famous arguments regarding the holes I find in 3e; however, d20 may be the best system ever devised.&nbsp; I played a few different systems before d20 arrived, but having to learn an entire new set of rules&nbsp; made me stick with ADnD for the most part.With d20, I have really branched out into other games and genres because I can easily learn the systems.&nbsp; I know the core, so I only need to learn the deviations.&nbsp; d20 was a godsend and I would never go back to the old methods.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Belen, post: 1509243, member: 1405"] Well, I have only lurked in this thread, but I will reply to this one. While you may not be intentionally trolling, you're arguments do sound trollish and it is very hard to pay attention to them. Also, you're math arguments come off as a bit elitist. I once met a guy who said the same thing when I bought the 3e PHB for my fiance. He asked why I played 3e. I said "Because the rules are clearer and easier to understand. I can train new gamers within a few hours and they can join the game and contribute even if they are not a master." He reply "but stuff like ThaCo kept the stupid people from playing." This is inherently, an elitist argument. You can probably ask some of the people here about my famous arguments regarding the holes I find in 3e; however, d20 may be the best system ever devised. I played a few different systems before d20 arrived, but having to learn an entire new set of rules made me stick with ADnD for the most part. With d20, I have really branched out into other games and genres because I can easily learn the systems. I know the core, so I only need to learn the deviations. d20 was a godsend and I would never go back to the old methods. [/QUOTE]

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