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<blockquote data-quote="Steel_Wind" data-source="post: 8910586" data-attributes="member: 20741"><p>Did Sal's pizza become insolvent in or around 1997? TSR did. And it hurt distributors, retailers, sent several miniature makers into insolvency and bankruptcy; the whole hobby started to swirl the toilet. You know this Umbran. You've been here since the beginning, right?</p><p></p><p><strong>Bottom Line:</strong> The AD&D brand FAILED.</p><p></p><p>WotC didn't create the OGL 1.0a <strong><em>as a favor;</em></strong> they didn't grant us a <em><strong>privilege</strong></em>. That's nonsense.</p><p></p><p>WotC believed (wrongly, as it turned out) that writing adventures were fundamentally unprofitable. And so they dreamed up the OGL 1.0a principally as a way of persuading 3PP to write the adventures while WotC concentrated on publishing rules. The 3pp would fill a niche, WotC would make $$$.</p><p></p><p>That's how this happened. Don't rewrite history.</p><p></p><p>Now, with the funk of a failed brand 25+ years in the rear-view mirror -- and the 4e GSL debacle conveniently forgotten -- they are back at it when the brand is near the peak of a wave with a plan to earn WoW money.</p><p></p><p>And they see the OGL 1.0a as a barrier to earning that money. I don't think it is, but some executive(s) at WotC thinks so. So here they are, trying to wipe out a business model they operated under successfully for 23 years.</p><p></p><p>Now, it has to change. Note that they don't <em>actually say why</em>. We have had to infer their motives in looking at their purchase of DDB, their rejection of the OGL 1.0a, their taking down their own statements which demonstrate that their most recent communications about the use of the OGL 1.0a for VTTs and computer games are <em>KNOWINGLY FALSE REPRESENTATIONS.</em>..</p><p></p><p>And you are going to play Devil's Advocate for them? I do that all that time if somebody is paying me. I'm a hired gun (like you), but not otherwise.</p><p></p><p>I can't believe that anybody has bought you on this topic. So there must be something else going on I don't understand.</p><p></p><p>I am genuinely curious: <strong><em><span style="color: rgb(251, 160, 38)">why the WotC love</span></em></strong>? Why this attempt at currying favor and trying to walk to the middle? Never mind the arguments and all the rest of it -- I'm asking YOU a simple question:</p><p></p><p>Why?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steel_Wind, post: 8910586, member: 20741"] Did Sal's pizza become insolvent in or around 1997? TSR did. And it hurt distributors, retailers, sent several miniature makers into insolvency and bankruptcy; the whole hobby started to swirl the toilet. You know this Umbran. You've been here since the beginning, right? [B]Bottom Line:[/B] The AD&D brand FAILED. WotC didn't create the OGL 1.0a [B][I]as a favor;[/I][/B] they didn't grant us a [I][B]privilege[/B][/I]. That's nonsense. WotC believed (wrongly, as it turned out) that writing adventures were fundamentally unprofitable. And so they dreamed up the OGL 1.0a principally as a way of persuading 3PP to write the adventures while WotC concentrated on publishing rules. The 3pp would fill a niche, WotC would make $$$. That's how this happened. Don't rewrite history. Now, with the funk of a failed brand 25+ years in the rear-view mirror -- and the 4e GSL debacle conveniently forgotten -- they are back at it when the brand is near the peak of a wave with a plan to earn WoW money. And they see the OGL 1.0a as a barrier to earning that money. I don't think it is, but some executive(s) at WotC thinks so. So here they are, trying to wipe out a business model they operated under successfully for 23 years. Now, it has to change. Note that they don't [I]actually say why[/I]. We have had to infer their motives in looking at their purchase of DDB, their rejection of the OGL 1.0a, their taking down their own statements which demonstrate that their most recent communications about the use of the OGL 1.0a for VTTs and computer games are [I]KNOWINGLY FALSE REPRESENTATIONS.[/I].. And you are going to play Devil's Advocate for them? I do that all that time if somebody is paying me. I'm a hired gun (like you), but not otherwise. I can't believe that anybody has bought you on this topic. So there must be something else going on I don't understand. I am genuinely curious: [B][I][COLOR=rgb(251, 160, 38)]why the WotC love[/COLOR][/I][/B]? Why this attempt at currying favor and trying to walk to the middle? Never mind the arguments and all the rest of it -- I'm asking YOU a simple question: Why? [/QUOTE]
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