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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 3300075" data-attributes="member: 48965">Actually its not just "sand and sandals", let's not forget that this was during the time that while alot of the designers were gamers and had real love for it...The head honchos ie marketing etc. didn't.  They probably wouldn't have known sword and sorcery if it pimp smacked em across the face.DarK Sun(some things that make it more S&S than high fantasy)a.) Survival and money are the driving goals of most characters, not epic LotR type quests.  Dark Sun definitely had thisb.) Corrupt Civilization.Yep. What little civilization there was is ruled by decadent fake-gods, condones slavery, backstabbing, gladitorial combats, secret cults etc.c.)Vast tracks of unexplored savage wildernessCheck.  Barbarian(not to mention savage halflings way before Eberron) tribes, mutant animals, slave raiders, ex slave villagesd.) Magic is something feared and dangerousChecK. Sorcerer kings, Defilers, magic-created wastelandse.) Strange and alien non-tolkien racesHalf-Check(It was still D&D but even the standard races were twisted in new ways) Thri-kreen, Muls, Aarockra(think that's how you spell it), and my personal favorite, though not a PC race, the freakin Belgoi(they rock in a creepy way, those bells were just cool)</blockquote>