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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 4056913" data-attributes="member: 2067">In some ways, 4e's return to &quot;monsters and NPCs and players all follow different rules&quot; makes me paranoid that this will crop up again in different forms.&quot;No, the NPC can't teach you the Killstrike of Doom because...er...his hands fall off after the encounter. OOPS!&quot;I have enough faith to see it through, but we've already seen hints of a little of it. The Bugbear Strangler can use you as a human shield, you can't use anyone as a human shield because it'd be &quot;annoying if you did it in every encounter.&quot;I think this is absolutely true. They didn't really have to sell me much with 3e. They had me at &quot;AC's go up, and monsters have Charisma scores.&quot; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />With 4e, they've gotta sell me. I'm content with my game right now, no matter how much they tell me that I'm really not. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I'm harder to impress because I know if they don't do a very good job, that I can stick with 3e and continue it forever. So they need to show me that 4e is going to do something new that I couldn't do with 3e.They're winning me over on some of the rules design, but some elements are very dissonant, and I can poach the 4e rules design as much as I poached the SWSE rules design, and keep intact what I want to keep.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 4056913, member: 2067"] In some ways, 4e's return to "monsters and NPCs and players all follow different rules" makes me paranoid that this will crop up again in different forms. "No, the NPC can't teach you the Killstrike of Doom because...er...his hands fall off after the encounter. OOPS!" I have enough faith to see it through, but we've already seen hints of a little of it. The Bugbear Strangler can use you as a human shield, you can't use anyone as a human shield because it'd be "annoying if you did it in every encounter." I think this is absolutely true. They didn't really have to sell me much with 3e. They had me at "AC's go up, and monsters have Charisma scores." ;) With 4e, they've gotta sell me. I'm content with my game right now, no matter how much they tell me that I'm really not. ;) I'm harder to impress because I know if they don't do a very good job, that I can stick with 3e and continue it forever. So they need to show me that 4e is going to do something new that I couldn't do with 3e. They're winning me over on some of the rules design, but some elements are very dissonant, and I can poach the 4e rules design as much as I poached the SWSE rules design, and keep intact what I want to keep. [/QUOTE]

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