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<blockquote data-quote="Derro" data-source="post: 4079926" data-attributes="member: 51010">I've tried to be reserved about this and fight my &quot;no way, no how&quot; knee jerk reaction until I had a chance to see some real crunch. Now that we've seen the characters I'm sure I'm not going over.I see many elements I like:1) Static defense2) Unified class progression3) Trimmed and coherent skill systemand others.And then I look at the fighter and ranger special abilities and it all gets flushed. It just looks way too gamist for me. In an effort to make everybody kewl and tricked out it just feels like it's lost a lot of its soul. Which is not to say it doesn't have its appeal but not to me.I quit playing D&amp;D in the final years of 2e. When I came back with 3e I was right in front. I remember when Eric Noah still ran this joint and it was just one long thread. I've bought way to much 3.x and d20 material and am happy with most of it. There's a couple stinkers (I'm talking to you, Mystic Eye Games) but for the most part I've been able to use or conceive of the use of just about everything I own. The thought of starting over again makes me feel a bit ill. As an obsessive rules tinkerer I've finally crafted my house system to be pretty near exactly what I want. And surprise, surprise it has some 4e-isms in it. I'm stopping right here for my D&amp;D. Talk to me when they update Tunnels and Trolls.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Derro, post: 4079926, member: 51010"] I've tried to be reserved about this and fight my "no way, no how" knee jerk reaction until I had a chance to see some real crunch. Now that we've seen the characters I'm sure I'm not going over. I see many elements I like: 1) Static defense 2) Unified class progression 3) Trimmed and coherent skill system and others. And then I look at the fighter and ranger special abilities and it all gets flushed. It just looks way too gamist for me. In an effort to make everybody kewl and tricked out it just feels like it's lost a lot of its soul. Which is not to say it doesn't have its appeal but not to me. I quit playing D&D in the final years of 2e. When I came back with 3e I was right in front. I remember when Eric Noah still ran this joint and it was just one long thread. I've bought way to much 3.x and d20 material and am happy with most of it. There's a couple stinkers (I'm talking to you, Mystic Eye Games) but for the most part I've been able to use or conceive of the use of just about everything I own. The thought of starting over again makes me feel a bit ill. As an obsessive rules tinkerer I've finally crafted my house system to be pretty near exactly what I want. And surprise, surprise it has some 4e-isms in it. I'm stopping right here for my D&D. Talk to me when they update Tunnels and Trolls. [/QUOTE]

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