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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 3513284" data-attributes="member: 48965">How do you figure the players can "never" discover this stuff.  Once again it's on your skill as a DM, how much of this is worked into an adventure, or future adventures.  The beginning of these adventures are arbitrary because they have to be intentionally vague to suit various campaign settings...however that complaint is alleviated when there is context and history behind and adventure that fits into a greater whole.  The "inscrutable" background is only a "mistake" if you as a DM either choose to or are not imaginative enough to make it a significant portion of your adventure(s).  Nah, I just ain't big on hero worship, and believe nobody is infallible.  Plenty of game designers have said things and years later said the total opposite...it's human nature.</blockquote>