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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3516317" data-attributes="member: 18280">OK, let's examine those two.  A blank canvas isn't a finished painting.  However, what appears to be a finished painting isn't a finished painting either if the artist goes back and adds something.  The term "finished" is like Celebrim's quantum indeterminancy; it doesn't have any "real" status until all possibility of the artist returning to the painting is gone.Now, the difference between red and orange is a measurable wavelength of light.  From that standpoint, one can quite easily say that something is, or is not, orange on the basis of actual measurement.But that is neither here nor there; I understand your point.But, then, let me ask you this:  if something meets the standard definition of red, is it orange because you say it isn't red?  Because, so far as I know, your definition of worldbuilding is unique to you (and possibly KM, but it's hard to tell at this point).We define things with terms like Red and Orange so that we can have meaningful discussions.  It doesn't matter exactly what we define as Orange, if all involved in the discussion can agree and use the term for mutual understanding.  The alternative is to be like Humpty Dumpty in Alice In Wonderland, and claim that words mean exactly what you want them to mean, regardless of the way others use them or the context they are used in.  If you persist in doing that, you shouldn't be surprised that people claim either that your definition is wishy-washy, or that it changes to suit your needs.Because I believe that there is a definitive point where you can say setting construction becomes world building -- as soon as you move from anything general to anything specific.</blockquote>

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