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<blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 3544203" data-attributes="member: 30001">Again - I find your statements to be consistently illogical on this point.&nbsp; On one hand you argue about a &quot;spectrum&quot; in terms that you suggest that other people don't know the defintion.&nbsp; And a few sentences later procede to forget what you just said apparently.&nbsp; Show me where the &quot;complete and uttelry superfluous&quot; part of the spectrum is?Consider - the Isle of the Dread is not complete - nor are many adventures.&nbsp; The Isle of Dread contains nothing IIRC about the ship that you use to get to the Isle, or the folks aboard that ship - one or more of whom might be a halfling from the Five Shires.&nbsp; Now all of the sudden, as a result of the DM fleshing out the Isle of Dread to actually be usable in a campaign style game, the Five Shires info has gone from &quot;complete and utterly superflous&quot; to...something else.But this has happened over and over again where you suggest that one thing is your philosoophy in the abstract, and then say all sorts of things that appear to contradict it.&nbsp; Your habits and comments previously have been much more in the &quot;black and white&quot; frame of mind, so I find this spectrum thing to be an unatural fit with your basic inclinations on this subject.AFAICT the more you apply the &quot;spectrum&quot; philosophy to the way you talk about this issue, the less we'll have to disagree on.&nbsp; The problem with the spectrum in how you're using it (when you use it) here is that the light spectrum, for instance, is based on a measurable phenomena.&nbsp; The wavelength of light is a measurable quantity, and is useful for talking about things like energy and how the light reacts with other things.&nbsp; Physicists AFAIK don't argue about whether something's &quot;red&quot; or not because it's not a useful definition.&nbsp; Wavelength is useful.The &quot;world-buildiness&quot; of Realmslore vs. KotB is not objective, and I don't find your definitions here to be any more useful than &quot;red&quot;.&nbsp; The whole idea isn't much useful unless you're trying to tell other people how to DM or what to think about something.&nbsp; And compounding the error and the arrogance is telling other people what they should think about the people who write it and their motives.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gizmo33, post: 3544203, member: 30001"] Again - I find your statements to be consistently illogical on this point. On one hand you argue about a "spectrum" in terms that you suggest that other people don't know the defintion. And a few sentences later procede to forget what you just said apparently. Show me where the "complete and uttelry superfluous" part of the spectrum is? Consider - the Isle of the Dread is not complete - nor are many adventures. The Isle of Dread contains nothing IIRC about the ship that you use to get to the Isle, or the folks aboard that ship - one or more of whom might be a halfling from the Five Shires. Now all of the sudden, as a result of the DM fleshing out the Isle of Dread to actually be usable in a campaign style game, the Five Shires info has gone from "complete and utterly superflous" to...something else. But this has happened over and over again where you suggest that one thing is your philosoophy in the abstract, and then say all sorts of things that appear to contradict it. Your habits and comments previously have been much more in the "black and white" frame of mind, so I find this spectrum thing to be an unatural fit with your basic inclinations on this subject. AFAICT the more you apply the "spectrum" philosophy to the way you talk about this issue, the less we'll have to disagree on. The problem with the spectrum in how you're using it (when you use it) here is that the light spectrum, for instance, is based on a measurable phenomena. The wavelength of light is a measurable quantity, and is useful for talking about things like energy and how the light reacts with other things. Physicists AFAIK don't argue about whether something's "red" or not because it's not a useful definition. Wavelength is useful. The "world-buildiness" of Realmslore vs. KotB is not objective, and I don't find your definitions here to be any more useful than "red". The whole idea isn't much useful unless you're trying to tell other people how to DM or what to think about something. And compounding the error and the arrogance is telling other people [b]what they should think about the people who write it and their motives[/b]. [/QUOTE]

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