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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 7392816" data-attributes="member: 48965">Yes the world does because you stated that the lore of 4e was default.&nbsp; The only way the world doesn't contain these orcs is if you stated or state at some point that the default orcs do not exist in your world. Again I disagree... if everything in the 4e default lore was only a possibility in your world why not state that from the beginning... in other words until it's established anything and everything is up for grabs?&nbsp; Why declare that the 4e lore is default when in fact it seems (at least by what you are posting here) that the 4e lore is only one of many possible versions of lore?&nbsp; It seems you are just confusing the issue by proclaiming it as the default but then only making that the case once it's been introduced in play, what's the point?&nbsp; Just state that there is no set lore and it's established during play.I disagree.&nbsp; You seem to be implying if not outright stating that the game isn't happening unless there's a concrete situation in which PC's are present but IMO that's not the case. &nbsp;As an example character creation and leveling up don't meet this criteria and yet it is a part of playing the game (or another example from 4e...quest creation by players doesn't fit your prescribed definition and yet it is definitely a part of playing the game for some).&nbsp; In the same way a GM creating his world is (at least for some GM's) playing the game though it does not fall into your prescribed notion of what that should be.&nbsp; Both the players and GM have portions of the game that they are involved in that don't necessarily fall into this narrow definition. Eh now you have specific history.&nbsp; While part of worldbuilding I think worldbuilding itself is much broader than creating history.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 7392816, member: 48965"] Yes the world does because you stated that the lore of 4e was default. The only way the world doesn't contain these orcs is if you stated or state at some point that the default orcs do not exist in your world. Again I disagree... if everything in the 4e default lore was only a possibility in your world why not state that from the beginning... in other words until it's established anything and everything is up for grabs? Why declare that the 4e lore is default when in fact it seems (at least by what you are posting here) that the 4e lore is only one of many possible versions of lore? It seems you are just confusing the issue by proclaiming it as the default but then only making that the case once it's been introduced in play, what's the point? Just state that there is no set lore and it's established during play. I disagree. You seem to be implying if not outright stating that the game isn't happening unless there's a concrete situation in which PC's are present but IMO that's not the case. As an example character creation and leveling up don't meet this criteria and yet it is a part of playing the game (or another example from 4e...quest creation by players doesn't fit your prescribed definition and yet it is definitely a part of playing the game for some). In the same way a GM creating his world is (at least for some GM's) playing the game though it does not fall into your prescribed notion of what that should be. Both the players and GM have portions of the game that they are involved in that don't necessarily fall into this narrow definition. Eh now you have specific history. While part of worldbuilding I think worldbuilding itself is much broader than creating history. [/QUOTE]

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