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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 7393688" data-attributes="member: 48965">I do agree with the statement you made above which is a totally different one from the premise of this thread, mainly that worldbuilding is bad.  Which as I interpret it means that worldbuilding in general is actively harmful to playing rpg's.  As an example of a case where I found non-preauthored worldbuilding enjoyable...one of my favorite authors, Michael Moorcock, wrote his Elric stories without worldbuilding beforehand.  Now I will readily admit when the original stories are read in succession there are a few consistency issues but nothing I would say is a major detraction from mye enjoyment of the stories or reading them as a whole. Again though, I just want to clarify I in no way think worldbuilding is objectively bad,  I also don't think forgoing worldbuilding is objectively bad for rpg's.  It's a style thing and honestly I think it would probably be a better conversation if both sides were more open to discussing the positives as opposed to trying to prove which one is better.  Starangely enough in the threads I've seen discussing this the premise always starts with worldbuilding as a negative even when disguised as trying to ascertain it's positives.  Thus why I tend to defend worldbuilding vs. the non-worldbuilding style of play.  Why are you assuming I am talking about a game without a strong setting?  You were commenting on a pre-authored setting, right?  I think it goes without saying that if you are choosing to have no setting... well restrictions around setting would serve little or no purpose since a setting doesn't exist.And I can respect that but I don't think you could definitively state that the majority of people feel that way or even that setting fidelity is objectively bad for rpg's.  That's what I think most in this thread are taking umbrage with... the statement that it is bad in a general sense for rpg's... again in a general sense.How long have you guys played together.  I'm sure your group knows you well enought to know what is meant.  I wonder if it was a group of strangers say an AL game would more explanation be needed?Yeah this kind of supports the whole familiarity thing...What is default 4e.  In 4e everything is core and that's what I am basing a "default" 4e game on.  You seem to have, just like with worldbuilding a very narrow and specific (to you) definition of what default means.  Yes your players through their familiarity with you probably instinctively understand what you mean but I don't think you could assume strangers would understand what your "default 4e" means.I'm not sure what Orcs showing up have to do with it.  What if a character decided to talk about orcs to someone going off what the MM states?  Weren't there knowledge checks in 4e that told you exactly what you know about said creatures?  Should he or she  not assume this knowledge based on their rolls... especially in a default 4e game?   Why can't it?  The whole point of a default setting is so that we don't have to go piece by piece and affirm everything... if not then what's the point (serious question here)?I'm not making a big deal out of it I'm trying to understand this and it isn't making sense to me.  So 4e monsters as written in the monster manual do exist in your world and thus are part of building your world... right?  You seem to be stating that nothing exists until it shows up but there are other ways orcs or devourers could come up in the game... if no matter what they will always be 4e MM versions then I would say you're doing pre-authored worldbuilding.  Now whether the players experience all aspects of said worldbuilding is a different beast all together.It's only confusing or ambiguous because on the one hand you set the expectation that the 4e world is default, but then claim it's not pre-authored worldbuilding but in the same breath you're clearly stating that when introduced you will use the pre-authored lore for these creatures... how is that not ambiguous?  How is that not pre-authored worldbuilding?So really default can be changed depending on the needs and desires of your players... do you put limits on what can or can't be changed.  Just a note this is more a tangent I am personally interested in around your gameplay style than anything to do with out larger discussion.</blockquote>

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