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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7403463" data-attributes="member: 42582">All standard narrativistic games are &quot;story now&quot; in the Forge sense, but not all &quot;story now&quot; games are standard narrativistic ones.As far as thinking about PbtA goes, I am the faithful student of&nbsp; [MENTION=16586]Campbell[/MENTION]. The &quot;standard narrativistic model&quot; is about scene-framed RPGing. PbtA is not scene-framing - I don't have a terrific handle on how best to describe it, but Campbell has explained it well, I think in a post or two in the other worldbuilding thread, and also in the protagonism thread a year or so ago. Another feature that Campbell has pointed to, that I recall as I type this, is the different role of player intent in resolution for PbtA compared to scene-framed (ie &quot;standard narrativistic model&quot;) games.It's not a criticism of PbtA to say that it uses techniques different from DitV, Burning Wheel, Cortex+ Heroic, etc. It's an analytical observation.Why do you find this amusing? Do you disagree, and take the view that PbtA is a scene-framed game? What do you think is at stake in identifying a game as &quot;standard narrativistic model&quot;?EDIT because I saw this:I think the need to generate narrations as the outcome of various moves would push a bit against what you describe, but that's mostly speculation rather than experience talking.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7403463, member: 42582"] All standard narrativistic games are "story now" in the Forge sense, but not all "story now" games are standard narrativistic ones. As far as thinking about PbtA goes, I am the faithful student of [MENTION=16586]Campbell[/MENTION]. The "standard narrativistic model" is about scene-framed RPGing. PbtA is not scene-framing - I don't have a terrific handle on how best to describe it, but Campbell has explained it well, I think in a post or two in the other worldbuilding thread, and also in the protagonism thread a year or so ago. Another feature that Campbell has pointed to, that I recall as I type this, is the different role of player intent in resolution for PbtA compared to scene-framed (ie "standard narrativistic model") games. It's not a criticism of PbtA to say that it uses techniques different from DitV, Burning Wheel, Cortex+ Heroic, etc. It's an analytical observation. Why do you find this amusing? Do you disagree, and take the view that PbtA [I]is[/I] a scene-framed game? What do you think is at stake in identifying a game as "standard narrativistic model"? EDIT because I saw this: I think the need to generate narrations as the outcome of various moves would push a bit against what you describe, but that's mostly speculation rather than experience talking. [/QUOTE]

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