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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 7405257" data-attributes="member: 82106">Now, I'd largely agree with you myself. I never thought the whole thing was THAT controversial! lol.I'm willing to call the small distance between the Keep and the Caves part of the 'Adventure' simply because its expected to function as a 'space' in the adventure structure. OTOH it does exist largely for 'game logic' purposes, functionally you basically might as well have the Caves right next to the Keep. The Keep definitely has SOME world building status IMHO, since its game function could have been accomplished more simply (as a safe place to rest and recover). I think it is still largely 'part of the adventure' in the sense that the particulars of it can matter to specific runs through B2. I'd also point out (as someone else did in the other thread IIRC) that B2 doesn't try to define ANYTHING about the Keep in relation to the rest of the world, who owns it, how it is maintained, what its purposes is, who the Castellan works for, etc. As an interesting aside, I also argued in the other thread that these very weaknesses (as well as other more significant ones) makes it difficult to attempt to use narrativist techniques with B2. The motives of the various NPCs/monsters are unknowable given we can't understand how and why they live as they do. OTOH, as SETTING the Keep's vagueness can be helpful, since it certainly doesn't preclude inventing any particular world details you might want to use in scene framing. I think that illustrates why 'classical' technique games often crave more detail, but Story Now games seem to crave less (but not none by any means).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 7405257, member: 82106"] Now, I'd largely agree with you myself. I never thought the whole thing was THAT controversial! lol. I'm willing to call the small distance between the Keep and the Caves part of the 'Adventure' simply because its expected to function as a 'space' in the adventure structure. OTOH it does exist largely for 'game logic' purposes, functionally you basically might as well have the Caves right next to the Keep. The Keep definitely has SOME world building status IMHO, since its game function could have been accomplished more simply (as a safe place to rest and recover). I think it is still largely 'part of the adventure' in the sense that the particulars of it can matter to specific runs through B2. I'd also point out (as someone else did in the other thread IIRC) that B2 doesn't try to define ANYTHING about the Keep in relation to the rest of the world, who owns it, how it is maintained, what its purposes is, who the Castellan works for, etc. As an interesting aside, I also argued in the other thread that these very weaknesses (as well as other more significant ones) makes it difficult to attempt to use narrativist techniques with B2. The motives of the various NPCs/monsters are unknowable given we can't understand how and why they live as they do. OTOH, as SETTING the Keep's vagueness can be helpful, since it certainly doesn't preclude inventing any particular world details you might want to use in scene framing. I think that illustrates why 'classical' technique games often crave more detail, but Story Now games seem to crave less (but not none by any means). [/QUOTE]

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