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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7417804" data-attributes="member: 5142">Let's retrace our steps a bit for contextualization because this entire line of thinking is becoming absurd, and I have little desire to perpetuate that absurdity. I disagreed with [MENTION=85555]Bedrockgames[/MENTION]'s assertion and kinda spiteful characterization that [MENTION=22779]Hussar[/MENTION] was expressing his opinion "as an absolute" and that "Hussar has the answer for everyone." This runs counter, IME, to how I see Hussar expressing his viewpoints in the context of the wider conversation. You asked what then we were discussing. And in the context of this entire conversation, one portion of that is Hussar's preferences rooted in and based on his general observations about worldbuilding as an enterprise of RPGs. I am talking about the wider context of his conversation in this thread. You then asked for my reading on a specific passage. My reading of this passage is again tied to my understanding of Hussar's argument in this entire thread, and I do think that his post in question that you quoted is led by those preferences. (1) I would decouple these two clauses, if not remove the second entirely. (2) It seems absurd to think that one is forbidden in rational discourse to identify a perceived problem rooted in engendered from experiences and then desire to want this rectified. Who other but [MENTION=22779]Hussar[/MENTION] is held to this absurd standard on this thread? Again, this strikes me as a false dichotomy. These are his preferences, but he also sees the core issues being discussed as perceived problems. And this is part of the problem. You don't see it as a problem in your games does not mean that the problem does not exist in many other games as experienced by Hussar and others. /sigh. Please have some basic human decency and read what I wrote if you are going to bother summarizing them respectfully, because your persisting misreadings or mis-characterizations are grating my nerves. I have not "[kept] saying don't respond to [your] points because they've either been responded to, they are unconvincing, or believe deep down [you] feel morally shamed and are projecting." I am not even sure where to begin refuting this because of how utterly bizarre your reading of the situation is. I have not "kept saying" anything of that sort, Bedrock. But if I was not clear, then my apologies and I will do my best now to clarify. At the initial point where this increasingly absurd line of conversation began, you and Imaro both raised the issue of emotional content in both (1) the pushback and (2) the word "bad" attached to 'worldbuilding,' as in the OP. I do not think that you or Imaro are necessarily "morally shamed." I am not talking specific people here, but the general trend of counter-responses in the thread to the OP. I have provided my analogy only twice. So the idea that I "keep saying" that you somehow feel morally shamed is not only untrue but also a gross exaggeration. And I do think that some, albeit not all, can be explained by the hypothesis that I put forth. In this matter, I am only speaking of the tone of those responses and not the content. Elsewhere I have responded to particular points raised by you and others. But I also do not feel morally obligated to respond to every single new point raised, particularly when I am not necessarily the person in question to whom you are responding. I hope that clarifies things somewhat. Please feel free to ask for further clarification if you are afraid of misstating the views that I have expressed. Do you really think so poorly of me that you honestly think that I believe or have said otherwise? I certainly hope not. But I would certainly hope that you would address his points fairly rather than attack Hussar or assign him malicious motive or purpose. I think that Hussar is giving you greater benefit of the doubt than you are with him, and that does give me cause for concern regardless of whether I agree or disagree with those points he raised. Holy Gaslighting, Batman!</blockquote>

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