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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6252577" data-attributes="member: 6669384">Emanation effects typically have to be centered at a grid junction.&nbsp; The area is measured from there.AMF is one of the odd ones in that it specifies that it's centered on a creature.One could rule that it automatically includes the creature, plus 10 feet, and that wouldn't be unreasonable.&nbsp; It's not, however, the way such spells normally work according to RAW. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but according to the SRD an emanation radiates from the &quot;point of origin&quot;, which taken literally means a single point, not a creature or area.)Someone suggested conjuration spells centering outside the AMF as a way to hurt the dragon.&nbsp; Orb spells and Meteor Swarm were mentioned.&nbsp; By the rules, I don't see how that works.&nbsp; Area effects that overlap with an AMF don't include the AMF in their area, per RAW. Orb spells have to make contact with the target, and they blink out as soon as they enter the AMF, fully suppressed by the field.You might drop a Wall of Iron on the caster, since that spell duration is instantaneous (i.e. the wall is the result of magic, rather than being magic in and of itself).&nbsp; But any kind of conjured energy type is going to fail, per RAW.So yeah, a dragon with an AMF is a fearsome thing.&nbsp; He loses his breath weapon and is reduced to pure melee, but since he's pretty good at pure melee, particularly against opponents whose 45+ ACs depend on magic effects, it's very much a winning tactic.My own answer would be to cast a 20x20 Force Cage around myself (presuming that the DM rules that it, like Force Wall isn't affected by AMF), and then missile away through the openings in the Cage.&nbsp; Alchemical attacks are also good.&nbsp; Any side the Dragon comes to, I can be out of his AMF emanation, so I still get all of my magical bonuses to my weapon's &quot;to hit&quot;, even if the arrows lose the magical damage bonus when they enter the AMF.Oh, and remember to poison the arrows.&nbsp; Yeah, he's got a Dragon's Saves, but anyone can roll a 1, given enough opportunities. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6252577, member: 6669384"] Emanation effects typically have to be centered at a grid junction. The area is measured from there. AMF is one of the odd ones in that it specifies that it's centered on a creature. One could rule that it automatically includes the creature, plus 10 feet, and that wouldn't be unreasonable. It's not, however, the way such spells normally work according to RAW. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but according to the SRD an emanation radiates from the [B]"point[/B] of origin", which taken literally means a single point, not a creature or area.) Someone suggested conjuration spells centering outside the AMF as a way to hurt the dragon. Orb spells and Meteor Swarm were mentioned. By the rules, I don't see how that works. Area effects that overlap with an AMF don't include the AMF in their area, per RAW. Orb spells have to make contact with the target, and they blink out as soon as they enter the AMF, fully suppressed by the field. You might drop a [I]Wall of Iron[/I] on the caster, since that spell duration is instantaneous (i.e. the wall is the result of magic, rather than being magic in and of itself). But any kind of conjured energy type is going to fail, per RAW. So yeah, a dragon with an AMF is a fearsome thing. He loses his breath weapon and is reduced to pure melee, but since he's pretty good at pure melee, particularly against opponents whose 45+ ACs depend on magic effects, it's very much a winning tactic. My own answer would be to cast [I]a 20x20 Force Cage[/I] around myself (presuming that the DM rules that it, like [I]Force Wall[/I] isn't affected by AMF), and then missile away through the openings in the [I]Cage[/I]. Alchemical attacks are also good. Any side the Dragon comes to, I can be out of his AMF emanation, so I still get all of my magical bonuses to my weapon's "to hit", even if the arrows lose the magical damage bonus when they enter the AMF. Oh, and remember to poison the arrows. Yeah, he's got a Dragon's Saves, but anyone can roll a 1, given enough opportunities. :) [/QUOTE]

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