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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dark Dragon" data-source="post: 6253243" data-attributes="member: 1115">Agreed, but it is feasible option nevertheless, because it takes out most foes (maybe except the monk), stopping them causing more trouble. Snatch is a standard dragon feat, and it makes the dragon an even more dangerous foe, especially if the party has little time to prepare for combat. What first: Resist Energy? Freedom of Movement? Dimension Door? Fly? Resilient Sphere? Wall of Force? Forcecage?Aside from game fun, I consider this as a major reason why the dragon would not dump the PCs in lava. The dragon knows from the cultists that the group possesses some very valuable magic items. Neither the dragon nor the cultists know about the group's artefact, however. The evil fraction is well aware that the PCs are a dangerous group with a good array of combat options and arcane powers that exceed the cultists' and the dragon's options; this prevents the dragon from being overconfident. He may be arrogant, but he is not stupid to ignore the fact that this battle is going against guys that have shown their prowess and stepped on the Cult's toes. The evil guys also know that they have a good opportunity to catch the party by surprise, and the red dragon is the key to even the odds (so they hope). However, the dragon will not fight to death. If the battle is going poorly for whatever reason, he will abandon the cultists to let them fight for themselves. The necromancer cultist will teleport away as soon as the dragon retreats (or if his own life is in danger), and report to his master about the battle.Many thanks for your thoughts! True, I as the DM could always leave AMF out, and certainly not all dragons would/should have access to AMF. But my question still remains: why would I as a DM not give the dragon AMF, aside for game fun reasons? Without AMF, the dragon would be less dangerous I assume; and with AMF, one PC is likely dead. Killing a PC because the DM can do so is poor DMing, IMO.Using a bigger older dragon is an option, but I remember well a fight when the PCs battled a great wyrm white dragon in a nightly combat. The creature was overconfident and did its best to dish out damage, but it was forced to melee ground combat quickly by the wizard's Earthbind spell (movement reduced to 150 ft even on a successful save, but that dragon had bad luck and rolled a 1, so its fly speed was 0). From then on, the wizard and the cleric simply countered all dispel and exit spells of the dragon, while her buddies and the warmage did the damage (and they did a lot in one round). After 3 rounds of melee fight, the dragon surrendered. It did some damage to the PCs, but the party was not threatened seriously (my impression).Hrmm, this is a good point. I get the impression that AMF was not designed for creatures bigger than size M <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> . Guess I've to re-evaluate my AMF ruling.</blockquote>

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