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<blockquote data-quote="Jolly Giant" data-source="post: 1803111" data-attributes="member: 5278">I just got to say this thread have taken me completely by surprise. When I first posted it I wondered if I was gonna get any replies at all; I even bookmarked it so I wouldn't have to search for it when I wanted to check if anyone had replied.All I wanted with this thread was to point out a minor detail (edit: &quot;Trend&quot; is a better word here)&nbsp; that was bugging me and it ended up as this extremely heated debate about one specific monster. Go back and look at my original post and you'll see that I was only using frostgiants as an example. Looking back, it was obviously a mistake to use the word &quot;frostgiant&quot; in the title. I'll blame that on reading about them in Frostburn just before posting...&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Seriously though; even after all this debate I still feel the whole &quot;forst creatures use cold attacks, fire creatures use fire attacks&quot; is not very creative and rather clichè. And (for the third time!) I'm not speaking about attack forms that the creatures are born with here! I'm talking about stuff that they learns, makes or aqquires!As for all those of you who mention the &quot;paladins should have weapons that hurt good-guys&quot;, you're missing the point entirely. My point is that a frostgiant (since we seem to be completely stuck on the original example here) wielding a frost weapon is like a paladin wielding a weapon that hurt good-guys! It's useless against the foes the wielder fights most often...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jolly Giant, post: 1803111, member: 5278"] I just got to say this thread have taken me completely by surprise. When I first posted it I wondered if I was gonna get any replies at all; I even bookmarked it so I wouldn't have to search for it when I wanted to check if anyone had replied. All I wanted with this thread was to point out a minor detail (edit: "Trend" is a better word here) that was bugging me and it ended up as this extremely heated debate about one specific monster. Go back and look at my original post and you'll see that I was only using frostgiants as an example. Looking back, it was obviously a mistake to use the word "frostgiant" in the title. I'll blame that on reading about them in Frostburn just before posting... ;) Seriously though; even after all this debate I still feel the whole "forst creatures use cold attacks, fire creatures use fire attacks" is not very creative and rather clichè. And (for the third time!) I'm not speaking about attack forms that the creatures are born with here! I'm talking about stuff that they learns, makes or aqquires! As for all those of you who mention the "paladins should have weapons that hurt good-guys", you're missing the point entirely. My point is that a frostgiant (since we seem to be completely stuck on the original [I]example[/I] here) wielding a frost weapon [I]is[/I] like a paladin wielding a weapon that hurt good-guys! It's useless against the foes the wielder fights most often... [/QUOTE]

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