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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 1803582" data-attributes="member: 8158">DMH, I hope you've learned there is no shortage of contrarians on this board.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> I look at the lich template and tend to agree that it's really not that sweet a deal in terms of benefits. It doesn't ramp up your personal power in any major way. You get better ability score boosts, attacks, and defenses out of being a vampire, which is a shame. I may be missing it, but I don't see where a wish spell is disallowed from extending one's natural lifespan.There's certainly something to be said for having the phylactery where you can defend it, although I'd agree that a portable hole might be a little more secure than stapling it to your forehead. Most of the steps you've taken to hide the phylactery, such as the maze and the phylactery decoys, can be easily thwarted with spells like find the path, commune, true seeing, etc. Your theory about stashing it on a demiplane glosses over a lot of the vulnerabilities that would offer, as if 100% foolproof warding against teleportation and divination effects was a minor detail (if so, nobody would ever get any real use out of them in a dungeon), or creating the demiplane in the first place when you've admitted yourself that's not a core option for an arcane spellcaster. Bottom line: if some group of do-gooders wants to get at your soul bady enough, they'll make the trek. And when that suddenly finds itself in hell without even getting in a lick. it'll probably feel like a horse's rear end that it wasn't there at the very end to protect its own existence.</blockquote>

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