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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flights of Fancy" data-source="post: 9675797" data-attributes="member: 7037975">Oh, I don't know. I saw a number of 1E bards in my AD&D 1E/2E days. One of the things to remember is it wasn't really "11th level" like we think of it today because of the XP tables.5th-level Fighter: 18,0015th-level Thief: +10,001So, rounding up a bit let's say 30000 XP to "become a bard" (assuming you didn't shift right away).The equivalent is:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Cleric: 6th level</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Druid: 6th level</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fighter: 5th level</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Paladin: 5th level</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ranger: 5th level</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">M-U: 5th level</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Illusionist: 5th level</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Thief: 6th level</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Assassin: 6th level</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Monk: 5th level</li> </ul>So, XP-wise becoming a bard didn't really take long. It was also one of the reasons why nearly every demi-human was multiclassed.Granted, the four 15's were harder to get, but most tables just rolled until you got what you wanted to play what you wanted. shrugAh... ninja'd...Precisely!This, however, is incorrect. To dual-class you had to have a 15 in the first class, 17 or better in subsequent classes.While this the rule for DUAL-CLASSING, the path to a Bard wasn't that. You could freely use your fighter abilities while gaining your thief levels. I could see how someone might play that way, but strictly speaking that wasn't the rule in the book. shrugAgain incorrect. You are conflating dual-classing rules with the rules for the bard path. Different things. Again, nit-picky and I guess I could see someone playing that way... just not in the rules.No, I think you were correct. Otherwise it would have specified a 17 Dexterity. I think they already saw the four 15's as punishment enough to get the class...It is also a reason why it was separated from other classes. Why not just be a Fighter/Thief/Druid with STR 15, DEX 17, WIS 17, and CHA 17 if they wanted to follow normal dual-classing rules? Bard was not a dual-class path but its own thing in my opinion.I have this one as well! One of my favorites. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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