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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 9679459" data-attributes="member: 15700">On a somewhat related note, wanna know something I always thought funny? And by funny I mean a bit odd, in a cognitive dissonance sort of way.&nbsp; 1e's rules were clearly pulled from early wargaming rules. Just going over these initiative rules and it's pretty obvious they make more sense when you're approaching combat as a tabletop wargame. Detailed rules for movement tracking, flanking, charging, combat order, etc.And wanna know who the biggest critics of 4e were because it was too much of a wargame rather than RPG?&nbsp; Old school fans like me <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; Saying things like, &quot;I don't like 4e because combat is way too slow. Bring back theater of the mind!&quot;It's a bitter pill for me to swallow, being an old school fan, but the reality is, &quot;1e was built that way too, just no one ever played that way so you never noticed.&quot;<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 9679459, member: 15700"] On a somewhat related note, wanna know something I always thought funny? And by funny I mean a bit odd, in a cognitive dissonance sort of way. 1e's rules were clearly pulled from early wargaming rules. Just going over these initiative rules and it's pretty obvious they make more sense when you're approaching combat as a tabletop wargame. Detailed rules for movement tracking, flanking, charging, combat order, etc. And wanna know who the biggest critics of 4e were because it was too much of a wargame rather than RPG? Old school fans like me ;) Saying things like, "I don't like 4e because combat is way too slow. Bring back theater of the mind!" It's a bitter pill for me to swallow, being an old school fan, but the reality is, "1e was built that way too, just no one ever played that way so you never noticed." :) [/QUOTE]

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