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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flying Toaster" data-source="post: 9729408" data-attributes="member: 7052563">One thing I find interesting about the Edition Wars and other philosophical disputes within the TTRPG scene is that two factions can dislike a third faction and its preferred games or gaming styles for reasons that are not only completely different, but are in fact diametrically opposed to each other.  The most obvious example would be the way 4E is treated as unacceptable “not-my-D&D” by two completely different opposing camps: (1) 3E folk who really liked the character builds and heavy rules crunch of the 3.X/PF1 family of games and consequently never stopped playing their perfect system, rejecting 4E (and sometimes PF2E) for being too much like Warcraft, Everquest, and MMORPGs or CRPGs generally(2) OSR folk who rejected both 3E and 4E for their crunch and general power creep, preferring the simpler rules and deadly grit of early editions like OD&D, B/X, or AD&D (although both 1E RAW and 2E with kits each start to get pretty crunchy again, in their own separate ways...)The 3E and OSR camps each rejected 4E while still not being able to play the same games at the same tables, because they rejected 4E for completely different reasons, arriving at the same destination by completely different routes from different initial assumptions.  They can also agree to dislike 5E, but again for completely different reasons.  The 3E players think 5E does not have enough character building options, while the OSR players think it has too many.  Some OSR players will grudgingly give 5E some credit for taking a step in the right direction towards a lighter rules set, while 3E players would see that as a step in the wrong direction.  Or to put it another way, the OSR developed as a reaction against all versions of “Coastal Wizards” D&D, starting with 3E, so 3E players and OSR players can happily bash WotC/Hasbro together for a while, until eventually the OSR people say something that makes the 3E people stop short and say “Hey, wait a minute...”</blockquote>

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