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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gus L" data-source="post: 9730735" data-attributes="member: 7045072">I am enjoying the way the words "character build" summoned a discussion of character building.  It's not my thing, but I appreciate that it both is other people's thing and is great. Stay Gold!But to Flying Toaster's comment...I don't really see a contradiction here - I think the "OSR" as it existed in the aughts (2006-2012) was not especially opposed to 3E ... it was the increased complexity of 3.5E that was too much.  I also don't think the OSR ever got monolithic in its views, certianly not in its early phase when it was a smaller group of focused RPG nerds talking on forums and blogs.  As it breaks into the mainstream in maybe 2016-17 it starts to have strong views about its identity, but only now - when feuding parts of the Post-OSR are preforming a nostalgic reinvention of the OSR do these sorts of edition wars really heat up.  Even in the mid-2010's, the most snarky and angry OSR types attacking "Storygames" were still talking design with people using story game techniques. Plus OSR support of 5E was significant - at least until maybe 2020 when 5E products were moving towards non-OSR design philosophies and the sort of "OC" style of 5E play started coming to dominate through streamed play etc. It's all a fascinating thing, and now in this post-OSR era I think that there's plenty of room for O5R, Grognard OD&D/AD&D POSR (these are not the same groups btw) and NSR/ultra lights - all in the massive shadow of BG3 inflected 5E culture.</blockquote>

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