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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 9830841" data-attributes="member: 4348">That's a Great point about 3e.  5e no longer does that, but with 3e, once you got high enough level, each attack also included subtraction, and eventually variable subtraction as well as adding.You could add, but then you'd need to do a -5, than a -10, and with some classes eventually a -15.That's on top of everything else, which would make 3e and 3.5 far more complex than THAC0 if one is talking about how much longer it takes them to do subtraction vs. addition (which has never been a problem for me, I do each equally as fast).With THAC0 you didn't have that additional math when you had multiple attacks, with the exclusion of Two-Weapon Fighting.  However, you had that same application in 3e and 3.5 as well if we go that route.  Two-Weapon Fighting still had it's penalties in 3.X, though with the Improved Two Weapon-Fighting, Greater Two-Weapon Fighting, and Epic Two-Weapon Fighting that ability would eventually double up in regards to the Math that you had to do, then triple and quadruple...thus making even that more complicated.Edit: For me, its not so much the addition and subtraction, but that it makes the game feel differently.  In addition, despite what some say, addition is not the same as subtraction.  This is why it makes things feel differently to me.If you make 50K a year, and I say add 50K on top of that...you'll now have 100K.  If I say give me 50K and I take it from you, you'll now have 0 left.  It may be reverse math, and you can sometimes get to similar spots if you twist the math correctly, but addition and subtraction (and tables) are ultimately two different things and thus can feel different when applied in a game system to some people.</blockquote>

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