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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kichwas" data-source="post: 9738577" data-attributes="member: 891">These days everyone keeps saying the bad writing encouraged them to houserule a lot. For us back in 1980 it just meant reading better.After all, the hobby was new. And why would I cheat at AD&D if I wouldn't cheat while playing Chess, Basketball, or Tag? The idea that houserules weren't cheating hadn't set in yet because technically it is - it's just agreed upon cheating. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />The norms folks take for granted today didn't exist for us back then. We brought our norms in from other hobbies.I listen to all these folks who made things up instead of playing the written rules and just wonder if ya'll weren't a bunch of cheaters at everything back then. Because back in the day before 'homebrew' was a well communicated norm for this hobby - your only point of reference would have been 'be the same kind fair you are when you play sports or boardgames.'The younger folk who homebrew now sure. That's different as the hobby has its own norms now. But us old folk back then? Where'd that idea come from for you?Was it a thing in wargames? I didn't encounter those until I was already in the RPG hobby for some years, and never bothered with them. But they were a related prior existing hobby that might have set norms for other people.For the first 5 years I was in this hobby I didn't know a single other person in it who I hadn't brought to it other than a cousin who'd brought me in and then I hadn't seen again since... well I still haven't seen him since 1980 because his family didn't want mixed race people in their home.It didn't occur to anyone I encountered back then to "cheat" when we wouldn't do it at a chess or poker table.I didn't see much 'houseruling' until the D&D 3E era, and that was initially in other games. So I had a bit of a reaction when I first did, and still don't like sitting at tables with houserules over the mechanics, and will just avoid the homebrew for my own characters.So when I found games that took less work to do, we moved on. That was easier than 'cheating'. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />And these days well, there's nothing to be gained by looking back at a system that makes penis size important for stat caps and says people of a certain breed can't do certain things. I'd covered the first point forgot about the second one. Tolerated that kind of BS for years in a different game in a different medium while my Tauren Rogue hid out off screen. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I'm not a nostalgia person, but even more so when thing to be nostalgic over is essentially bad. We knew the rules back then, didn't make them great. In fact that we knew and used all the rules kinda helps me not want to play it again. I can put up with highly detailed games - but not when they're also inconsistent about it.</blockquote>

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