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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jefe Bergenstein" data-source="post: 9739808" data-attributes="member: 31506">I feel they are so clearly worse than Fortitude/Reflex/Will I don't know why anyone would go back to that level of ambiguity unless you want wriggle room to just make the save whatever your player's worst one is. Why is Rod/Staff/Wand even THERE? It's just Spells with a +1 bonus. I'm aware that there is a saving throw priority list in the 1E DMG. This just proves my point. Like pretty much all of 1E, it's sloppy and haphazardly designed. For the record, I also dislike 5E's saving throws, though not as much as 1st/2nd edition's. IMO the best implementation is PF2E's where everyone has some degree of competency in F/R/W.</blockquote>