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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Seeten" data-source="post: 2842841" data-attributes="member: 27186">Well, alright, I admit I was being facetious. All of my friends(That I rp with) are in their 30's like me, have good jobs, educations, and wives/children.But still, we have, over the years, had dozens of extra people sit in the "5th chair" at our table, and dozens of them have been unable to rp a human believably. Honest.Some of them were so bad at rping, it wasnt even funny. Some just didnt care. Some were actively disruptive. I personally try hard to scale back my own bad tendencies to powergame, by trying to only equal the others at the table, and by trying to play something which isnt a druid/cleric/wizard with all the fixings. In a campaign for Nightfall of ENworld fame starting soon, I am making a cleric, but one with war/fire as domains and no hint of divine metamagic.I try hard to stay under control. I just think Der_Kluge is barking up the wrong tree. *I'm* the bad guy. The people playing weird combos are either misguided, or doing it for some other reason.I find it very difficult to see a big list of choices and intentionally pick something objectively worse than the other options. I dont find it hard to pick something "different" as long as its equal in its field. But I cannot just go take suboptimal options, it hurts me. When making characters, I have a concept, and I need everything to fit the concept, and the concept cannot be, "I'm a terrible fighter" because that isnt fun for me...I do see the character as a collection of numbers. It is a big collection of numbers. It is only through my imagination that it takes on any life outside those numbers. In point of fact, thats what everyones character sheet is. I am as capable as anyone else at justifying why I took what feats, what career paths I took to get the classes, and whether I was raised in a monastery to explain x y or z. They are not mutually exclusive. What I truly do not get is the idea that somehow making a suboptimal character makes someone a better roleplayer. The two are not related in any way.Not coincidentally, playing a half-dragon fishman with the goldfish template is suboptimal. =)</blockquote>

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