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<blockquote data-quote="swrushing" data-source="post: 1272192" data-attributes="member: 14140"></blockquote>I do too. There are a lot of things that concentration does that you will still need ranks in. If you get hit while casting or are affected by sepll while casting you need more ranks usually than just enough to meet the CoD roll. One of us is confused. i was giving a 14 in CON, the stat that feeds concentration. Your int or cha, primary spell stat, is NOT the sat that applies to concentration checks. Now if you have house ruled it so that your INT is your CONC stat, then i can understand why your games see the threshold sooner. Or, if in your games the CON scores of your mages are their primary stats, then i can understand the differences there too.What stat feeds concentration in your games?If 10% spell failure is not seen as relevent enough to matter in your games, what % of your wizard wear chain shirts and treat the 10% spell failure with lack of concern?IMX most mages in my games do not suffer spell failure chances much at all willingly.Again, unless this is a 3.5 thing i missed or a house rule, the spell stat and the concentration stat are not the same.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="swrushing, post: 1272192, member: 14140"] [/QUOTE] I do too. There are a lot of things that concentration does that you will still need ranks in. If you get hit while casting or are affected by sepll while casting you need more ranks usually than just enough to meet the CoD roll. One of us is confused. i was giving a 14 in CON, the stat that feeds concentration. Your int or cha, primary spell stat, is NOT the sat that applies to concentration checks. Now if you have house ruled it so that your INT is your CONC stat, then i can understand why your games see the threshold sooner. Or, if in your games the CON scores of your mages are their primary stats, then i can understand the differences there too. What stat feeds concentration in your games? If 10% spell failure is not seen as relevent enough to matter in your games, what % of your wizard wear chain shirts and treat the 10% spell failure with lack of concern? IMX most mages in my games do not suffer spell failure chances much at all willingly. Again, unless this is a 3.5 thing i missed or a house rule, the spell stat and the concentration stat are not the same. [/QUOTE]

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