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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 2446917" data-attributes="member: 31734">What rule says you need the significant portion for sundering but not for disarming?  You're entirely making that up.  How about tripping?  Can you trip with a BE whip? Actually, I'm not making that assumption.  You made that assumption for e.g. cover and I just applied that assumption you made to what would be a consistent view for disarming.  However, you would rule differently for disarming, which is what I find inconsistent. Well, see, now you're changing your mind.  Earlier, you said: You'll note no statement that this only applies to whips or spiked chains, or even merely reach or ranged weapons.  You are being selective in your interpretation and, while imminently logical choices I'm sure, it is not based directly on rule. So, is that the new rule?  BE ignores nonliving matter, but only when damage is being done (or could be done)?  So, you can trip with a BE whip from 10ft away?  Are you defining the significant portion as the part that does damage only?  For a whip then, that would only be the tip, right?  Then, please explain how the whip goes through a wall. I'm not sure why it appears you are getting upset from your tone.  I assure you that my arguments are reasonable from a rules perspective.  I totally understand your views on this, and while quite logical, they have an inconsistency with regards to the rules.  The rules you are using seem to be solely "ignores nonliving matter" and "significant portion."  You've defined the first, and by example the second.  However, I claim that your definition of the second is inconsistent. Here's my premise.  A BE weapon ignores nonliving matter exactly how it's defined in game mechanics.  I.e. they ignore armor and shield bonuses and do not damage constructs, undead, or other objects.  Exactly how/why this occurs is flavor.  But, that's the limit.  There's no restriction on disarming, tripping, cover, or anything else.  You cannot (effectively) sunder with a BE weapon because that would be damaging an object (expressly not allowed).  This is entirely consistent within the rules on BE weapons.</blockquote>

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