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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aluvial" data-source="post: 5154933" data-attributes="member: 6862">I don't see it this way at all. A weapon used for an AoO that is in your off hand, takes a -4 penalty to attack. That's it. Nothing else. It matters not if you have been, or even are planning to TWF. The AoO action is independent of other things you have done, or will do in the round because it happens out of your turn (Other penalties apply for Power Attack, Combat Experitse, etc).  I believe that there should be no Side 1 at all. Side 1 is a different animal from Side A. Having a weapon in your off hand, or a wand, or a potion, or a shield, has no bearing on your primary hand's attack if you are only using the primary hand to attack with. Just having another item in your off-hand does not constitute a penalty. Side A, as you call it, refers to making TWF attacks only. An extra attack for an AoO is always made at your best BAB bonus (minus Power Attack etc.). Again, if the character purposefully chose to attack with the off hand weapon for the AoO, they would take the NORMAL -4 penalty for doing so with the off hand. This is not the case by the RAW. Clearly, you must take penalties if attacking with your off hand weapon as a full or standard action, or when making TWF attacks.  This is not the case by the RAW. Clearly, you only take penalties when attacking with an off hand weapon as a full or standard action, or if making TWF attacks. You do not take a penalty just for having two weapons in hand.  I wanted to comment on this... I'm not sure what having a reach weapon (assuming it is two handed I suppose) has to do with a discussion on off handedness. It seems to be a completely different animal. Except that Side 1 is not an option considering the RAW.  I believe that the confusion comes from individuals who believe that there is no penalties for using an off hand weapon. Just go look in the glossary and the other three locations in the rules that mention off handedness just slip into place.  To be clear, off hand weapon attacks take a -4 (for full, standard, AoO, and extra attacks). TWF attacks have a seperate chart to follow because you are fighting with both hands. These are two different circumstances.  Therefore, you must, at the time of character creation, be specific about handedness. Aluvial</blockquote>

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