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<blockquote data-quote="Silver Griffon" data-source="post: 631407" data-attributes="member: 9425">Re: Re: Wild Shape duration?I look at it like this: Think of the HD limit on GWS as part of the ability. Likewise, the distinction between dire and normal animals is part of the WS ability. Just because you can mix and match the sizes and types of forms that are available to you to your best advantage doesn't mean it changes the GWS or WS ability itself. I rule IMC that a druid/shifter does not have HD limits for forms he can turn into using the druid's WS. That's because WS is not limited by HD, only by size and the artificial distinction between dire and normal animals even though they have the same type. For example, a druid8/shifter2 has WS(small,med,large animal-not dire) and GWS(small or med, humanoid,animal,monst humanoid). This char can become an animal (not dire) of size S,M, or L of any HD because he can use WS while &quot;freely mixing the benefits of both abilities&quot;. Also, he can become a dire animal of size S,M, or L while using GWS but is limited to 10HD by the nature of his GWS. His humanoid and monst humanoid forms are limited to small or medium-sized and 10HD. Does this make sense? Do I need to work on my communications skills? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Silver Griffon, post: 631407, member: 9425"] [b]Re: Re: Wild Shape duration?[/b] I look at it like this: Think of the HD limit on GWS as part of the ability. Likewise, the distinction between dire and normal animals is part of the WS ability. Just because you can mix and match the sizes and types of forms that are available to you to your best advantage doesn't mean it changes the GWS or WS ability itself. I rule IMC that a druid/shifter does not have HD limits for forms he can turn into using the druid's WS. That's because WS is not limited by HD, only by size and the artificial distinction between dire and normal animals even though they have the same type. For example, a druid8/shifter2 has WS(small,med,large animal-not dire) and GWS(small or med, humanoid,animal,monst humanoid). This char can become an animal (not dire) of size S,M, or L of any HD because he can use WS while "freely mixing the benefits of both abilities". Also, he can become a dire animal of size S,M, or L while using GWS but is limited to 10HD by the nature of his GWS. His humanoid and monst humanoid forms are limited to small or medium-sized and 10HD. Does this make sense? Do I need to work on my communications skills? :) [/QUOTE]

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