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<blockquote data-quote="Knightfall" data-source="post: 5484808" data-attributes="member: 2012">You have a point; there is a lot more player content overall in the three 4e PHBs than in the Pathfinder core rulebook. However, it still felt &quot;wrong&quot; to me that I had to buy three books with the title PHB in order to get what I considered the core D&amp;D classes. I think I would have been more enamored with 4e if the first PHB had the bard and druid classes in it instead of the warlock and warlord classes. (Not having the monk and sorcerer classes in it didn't both me as much.) I'd also have left out the eladrin and tiefling and put in the gnome and half-orc.I like the dragonborn as a core race, however. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />However, I realize that WotC had a very different goal for 4e than they had for 3e. They wanted to change the game in significant ways. They wanted to take a step away from the OGL but still create a game that was D&amp;D at its core. I think they accomplished what they wanted but it felt less &quot;true&quot; to me personally. That's okay, I understand that I wasn't their target audience for 4e.I'm just glad they created a version of 4e that is closer to what I consider D&amp;D. I think Essentials has a lot of promise and could be even better with more support whether it be on DDI or in printed books. Personally, I prefer printed books. I do not have DDI, and I'm unlikely to get an ongoing subscription... ever. I could see getting it for one or three months in order to get the best of the Dragon and Dungeon content, but I have no desire for D&amp;D tools that I must &quot;rent&quot; instead of &quot;buy.&quot;I guess I'm just too stubborn to change. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Note: I won't pay for Paizo's subscription model either.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Knightfall, post: 5484808, member: 2012"] You have a point; there is a lot more player content overall in the three 4e PHBs than in the Pathfinder core rulebook. However, it still felt "wrong" to me that I had to buy three books with the title PHB in order to get what I considered the core D&D classes. I think I would have been more enamored with 4e if the first PHB had the bard and druid classes in it instead of the warlock and warlord classes. (Not having the monk and sorcerer classes in it didn't both me as much.) I'd also have left out the eladrin and tiefling and put in the gnome and half-orc. I like the dragonborn as a core race, however. :) However, I realize that WotC had a very different goal for 4e than they had for 3e. They wanted to change the game in significant ways. They wanted to take a step away from the OGL but still create a game that was D&D at its core. I think they accomplished what they wanted but it felt less "true" to me personally. That's okay, I understand that I wasn't their target audience for 4e. I'm just glad they created a version of 4e that is closer to what I consider D&D. I think Essentials has a lot of promise and could be even better with more support whether it be on DDI or in printed books. Personally, I prefer printed books. I do not have DDI, and I'm unlikely to get an ongoing subscription... ever. I could see getting it for one or three months in order to get the best of the Dragon and Dungeon content, but I have no desire for D&D tools that I must "rent" instead of "buy." I guess I'm just too stubborn to change. ;) Note: I won't pay for Paizo's subscription model either. [/QUOTE]

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