Wildshape into Swarm?

[Zaister]

Just a quick question: would a druid with wildshape ability be able to change into a swarm with the animal type (i.e. rat swarm or bat swarm)? It doesn't really sound plausible, but is there something in the rules to prohibit that?

Stefan.

 

[Ferret]

I can't cite anything but I do remember it says you can't.

 

[Egres]

From the SRD:

Wild Shape (Su): At 5th level, a druid gains the ability to turn herself into any Small or Medium animal and back again once per day. Her options for new forms include all creatures with the animal type. This ability functions like the polymorph spell, except as noted here.

Since the Polimorph spell doesn't grants you the ability to polimorph yourself into a creature with the swarm subtype, and the Wildshape class feature doesn't say anything more about it, you can't Wildshape into a swarm.

 

[Zaister]

Since the Polimorph spell doesn't grants you the ability to polimorph yourself into a creature with the swarm subtype, and the Wildshape class feature doesn't say anything more about it, you can't Wildshape into a swarm.

The spell description of Polymorph says nothing that would prohibit that in my eyes:

The new form may be of the same type as the subject or any of the following types: aberration, animal, dragon, fey, giant, humanoid, magical beast, monstrous humanoid, ooze, plant, or vermin. The assumed form can’t have more Hit Dice than your caster level (or the subject’s HD, whichever is lower), to a maximum of 15 HD at 15th level. You can’t cause a subject to assume a form smaller than Fine, nor can you cause a subject to assume an incorporeal or gaseous form. The subject’s creature type and subtype (if any) change to match the new form.

It only says that you cannot change into incorporeal and gaseous forms, but it specifically states you get the subtype if any, and it does not forbid any further subtypes.

So where did you get that?

 

[Severion]

The "Witches Handbook" from Green Ronin features a feat called Swarm Shape, probably not exactally what your thinking, but quite nice. It allows you to wild shape into a small number of natural animals (your level / thier hit dice) all of the same type.

 

[Someone]

I´m saying nothing new, but swarms are composed by hundreds or thousands of individual creatures, even if they are treated as a single entity. You can wildshape into one, if you gather enough druids.

 

[Egres]

So where did you get that?

Here.

The part you need is:

Swarm Subtype
You can't become a swarm by changing form.

 

[Scharlata]

Here.

The part you need is:

Swarm Subtype
You can't become a swarm by changing form.

Sounds plausible, but it's from Rules of the Game . Then I think I'll support that bit of information.

Kind regards

 

[Zaister]

Here.

The part you need is:

Swarm Subtype
You can't become a swarm by changing form.

Well, as Scharlata says, it's plausible, but I'd still like to know itf the real rules forbid it. Skip's essay is - at least to me - nothing more than his interpretation of the rules...

 

[Egres]

Well, as Scharlata says, it's plausible, but I'd still like to know itf the real rules forbid it. Skip's essay is - at least to me - nothing more than his interpretation of the rules...

Well,if you think that you can play ewithout problems a collection of Fine, Diminutive, or Tiny creatures that acts as a single creature,well,go for it!