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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 6118057" data-attributes="member: 1465">In my post I mentioned "senses" and said that IMHO they should all change, on the ground that the hound form stat block contains an entry for them (it grants you low-light vision) so I assumed this could become a general rule. After all, you are getting the animal's eyes, right? So it would seem natural for me that you lose all your original form's senses, and gains the animal form's senses, including sight (low-light vision, darkvision, other bonuses), hearing, smell/scent, tremorsense...However I just noticed that the hound form is the only form granting low-light vision at all. Great cat and rodent don't, although several forms grant bonuses to notice hidden creatures. Meh...Your mention of darkvision got me thinking however, that some senses are supernatural. How about an undead druid (if that ever makes sense)? Some creatures might have magical sight in which case I'd be tempted that they should keep them in wildshape. Not a very important case perhaps...Which should be better at sneaking unnoticed, a human rogue or a rat? It's not that obvious question... the Rogue which specializes at sneaking through the appropriate scheme will get a +d6 bonus while the wildshape Druid will get +8 which is obviously better.It's a reasonable concern, and the wildshape limits per day don't make up for it. I think some way to prevent the problem could be a combination of not allowing small animal shapes until higher level, and limiting the animal forms known even more than now, so that at least only some Druids can use their wildshape for sneaking.Agreed. If I had to make a choice I'd say keep the feats and skills from class definitely, since even the most physical ones could still be the result of training. Racial feats and skills are more tricky because they could be from culture (in which case they should easily stay) or from birth.</blockquote>

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