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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 1196264" data-attributes="member: 2629">Nothing Andy has said has been directly contradicted by the books, though his interpretations do not seem obvious from the books. This issue in particular is hard to divine from the books. At first glance, the books seem to contradict him, but on closer inspection we see the following things take place (amongst a whole bunch of things):1.) Polymorph grants the type and subtype. This grants the traits of the type and subtype.2.) Then, extraordinary attacks are granted.3.) Then, extraordinary qualities are specifically not granted. This has no effect on the traits already gained by adopting the type. Some abilities are listed redundantly under the traits and the extraordinary qualities section, but the failure to grant them a second time does nothing to diminsh their initial granting when the type was adopted.His interpretation can be taken from the books. Considering he was responsible for the text, as long as his statements do not completely contradict the book, I'm going with what he has said. Hopefully some full errata on polymorph will be released soon.</blockquote>