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<blockquote data-quote="TwinBahamut" data-source="post: 3737921" data-attributes="member: 32536">I disagree about the idea of balance being impossible to achieve. Certainly, there will always be suboptimal or broken builds, and there will be people who try to build new Pun-Puns, but that doesn't negate the idea of balance. As long as the most common builds are balanced against each other, it should be fine. As long as a whole group of new players can just start the game by only choosing simple and easy builds, and still be a well-balanced party, then there is balance.Also, there is no indication at all that the people at WotC are trying to remove things like being &quot;pigesed&quot;, or are trying to remove each and every challenge or potential set-back in the game. After all, overcoming stuff like that is part of the fun of the game, and only a fool would get rid of that sort of thing. What isn't fun is when Circe can &quot;pigese&quot; a character with 100% success rate due to bad balancing, and the character can't do anything about it at all, or if Circe has a 0% success rate due to unforseen balance issues, and the challenge is only an illusion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TwinBahamut, post: 3737921, member: 32536"] I disagree about the idea of balance being impossible to achieve. Certainly, there will [i]always[/i] be suboptimal or broken builds, and there will be people who try to build new Pun-Puns, but that doesn't negate the idea of balance. As long as the most [i]common[/i] builds are balanced against each other, it should be fine. As long as a whole group of new players can just start the game by only choosing simple and easy builds, and still be a well-balanced party, then there is balance. Also, there is no indication at all that the people at WotC are trying to remove things like being "pigesed", or are trying to remove each and every challenge or potential set-back in the game. After all, overcoming stuff like that is part of the fun of the game, and only a fool would get rid of that sort of thing. What isn't fun is when Circe can "pigese" a character with 100% success rate due to bad balancing, and the character can't do anything about it at all, or if Circe has a 0% success rate due to unforseen balance issues, and the challenge is only an illusion. [/QUOTE]

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