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Will 4E Eberron be as bad as FR?
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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4691299" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>Actually, I think what Jack is doing, is making alot of assumptions that aren't based on any types of facts... </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, fair enough statement but why...</p><p></p><p>1. You think it's a great product, but IMHO for $40 ... it seems well sparse and not really a good value for the expense. YMMV of course</p><p></p><p>2. If there was no Forgotten Realms previous to this edition, it also wouldn't have the ability to draw on the popularity of the Realms. That's the whole point of having established a campaign setting... as an example when Exalted went from 1st edition to 2nd edition they didn't blow up creation and create a wildly divergent world. If you want to market it as the "Realms" it only makes sense... well that it will be compared to past incarnations. This is why the new Mage game is called Mage the Awakening and the old one is called Mage the Ascension... what WotC did was akin to creating a "Mage" game and marketing first Ascension then Awakening under it as the same world.</p><p></p><p>3. Uhm, see 1. and 2... nuff said.</p><p></p><p>4. I don't think anyone feels like there's something wrong with them, because they don't like the new Realms (Your statement comes off just a wee bit pretentious). In fact I feel as if you are the one struggling to "show people the light" so to speak, but with the fallacious argument of "if the FR hadn't existed until now, everyone would love it"... but that's not the reality of the situation at all and there's no proof backing your statements up..</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Wait a minute... so you can't stand that someone might want to post a thread stating that the FR is bad in their opinion... why? Really if you feel it's great that's wonderful, and no one stops you from posting a thread about why you feel it's great, but your reasoning above makes no sense to me. IMHO what you posted above is like saying... if you go into an ice cream shop where they have a bin labeled chocolate ice-cream, and order ice-cream from that bin, you will be disappointed if you expect it to taste like chocolate ice cream... but the flavor it does taste like is "AWESOME!!". Guess what, it's only awesome if I didn't really want chocolate ice cream... but if that's the case why did I order it?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How do you know 4E Eberron will be "awesome". It's not even out yet... we don't even have previews and your touting it's praises...with nothing to back it up. See to me this smacks of fanboism, I could see you expressing why you think it will work with 4e, but you don't... it will be awesome because "4th Edition and Eberron are like Peanut Butter and Jelly". Even though it was created specifically to cater to the 3.5 game assumptions... and as far as no major changes... again how do you know for sure?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 4691299, member: 48965"] Actually, I think what Jack is doing, is making alot of assumptions that aren't based on any types of facts... Okay, fair enough statement but why... 1. You think it's a great product, but IMHO for $40 ... it seems well sparse and not really a good value for the expense. YMMV of course 2. If there was no Forgotten Realms previous to this edition, it also wouldn't have the ability to draw on the popularity of the Realms. That's the whole point of having established a campaign setting... as an example when Exalted went from 1st edition to 2nd edition they didn't blow up creation and create a wildly divergent world. If you want to market it as the "Realms" it only makes sense... well that it will be compared to past incarnations. This is why the new Mage game is called Mage the Awakening and the old one is called Mage the Ascension... what WotC did was akin to creating a "Mage" game and marketing first Ascension then Awakening under it as the same world. 3. Uhm, see 1. and 2... nuff said. 4. I don't think anyone feels like there's something wrong with them, because they don't like the new Realms (Your statement comes off just a wee bit pretentious). In fact I feel as if you are the one struggling to "show people the light" so to speak, but with the fallacious argument of "if the FR hadn't existed until now, everyone would love it"... but that's not the reality of the situation at all and there's no proof backing your statements up.. Wait a minute... so you can't stand that someone might want to post a thread stating that the FR is bad in their opinion... why? Really if you feel it's great that's wonderful, and no one stops you from posting a thread about why you feel it's great, but your reasoning above makes no sense to me. IMHO what you posted above is like saying... if you go into an ice cream shop where they have a bin labeled chocolate ice-cream, and order ice-cream from that bin, you will be disappointed if you expect it to taste like chocolate ice cream... but the flavor it does taste like is "AWESOME!!". Guess what, it's only awesome if I didn't really want chocolate ice cream... but if that's the case why did I order it? How do you know 4E Eberron will be "awesome". It's not even out yet... we don't even have previews and your touting it's praises...with nothing to back it up. See to me this smacks of fanboism, I could see you expressing why you think it will work with 4e, but you don't... it will be awesome because "4th Edition and Eberron are like Peanut Butter and Jelly". Even though it was created specifically to cater to the 3.5 game assumptions... and as far as no major changes... again how do you know for sure? [/QUOTE]
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