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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 4691614" data-attributes="member: 5100">The thing that concerns me most about 4e campaign settings -- Eberron, FR, Dark Sun, or something else -- is that the 4e mentality seems to be to shoehorn things into fitting all core elements of D&D.  I get adding dragonborn and tieflings to FR.  FR is the "vanilla", flagship setting for D&D, so it should at least match up with the PHB.  I could even see that argument with Eberron.What I don't want to see is the Eberron cosmology changed to match the core 4e cosmology.  I'm not talking so much about the elemental stuff, but there's no reason to tack a Feywild or Shadowfell onto Eberron.  Sure, there are rough analogies to those in the Eberron cosmology, but they don't join to the prime in the same way.  The Astral Sea could work great for Eberron, if it was actually used.  I just suspect that it won't be.  The "4e flavor" will override the Eberron flavor wherever possible.Speaking of the Astral Sea, I think that's one of the great potential tragedies of 4e.  I don't mean that in any way as a requiem for the Great Wheel, either.  The Astral Sea had the promise of allowing universal mechanics and shared assumptions with minimal requirements for shared cosmology.  Greyhawk could have the Great Wheel, the Realms could have their Tree (IIRC, I'm not a Realms player), Eberron could have it's planes, as could Krynn, and Dark Sun could be isolated.  Unfortunately, that potential seems to be being pissed away.  FR, by my understanding, had its cosmology brought back inside the box and what I've heard about Eberron sounds like it'll be boxed, also.  I also recall some comment (maybe from the rumor mill) that Dark Sun, if it gets made, will probably have a relatively standard cosmology.  If this is true, it really makes me believe that one group within WotC (those who created the open cosmology) are inspired geniuses, while another group are... um... not as genius (those who closed the cosmology).Actually, from reading various bits from the design/development people at WotC, I'm starting to think there's a bit of both genius and really-not-genius in most of the individuals.  If I have a consistent issue with 4e, it's the cycle of Great Idea --> Good Implementation --> Lousy Application.  They're designing Ferrari's, building them as Pontiacs, and using them to haul horse feed.</blockquote>

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