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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4692851" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>Yeah, I've been thinking about this too. You see I think with the limited campaign setting book run, I feel like WotC tried to adapt to a more White Wolf (Changeling the Lost, Promethean, Hunter the Vigil and Geist the Sin Eaters) type of model. But I honestly feel, now that I've gotten a chance to actually see their model that they have messed up in a few ways.</p><p></p><p>1. Not enough books. Seriously even WW realized with this model the point is to have enough books to have a complete setting yet not force people to jump on a continuous treadmill of supplements. It's suppose to cause the books to become more focused, better written and of better value because of the limited space. WotC with only two real books worth of setting information, IMHO, fails at delivering a satisfying amount of information for a fully fleshed out setting (I mean even Promethean had a total of five books). You see in the WW model those who just want the skeleton buy the corebook and drape their own on it... but those who want depth can purchase the rest of the limited line.</p><p></p><p>2. Promoting DDI. This I think is another mistake. WotC wants you to buy into DDI to get the rest of the information for your setting, and I think many gamers (will eventually) take issue with this. First the biggest advantage of WW's limited games is that you are off the supplement treadmill at a certain point... yet with the DDI model, you're not really ever getting off of it (until 4e ends), unless you want to possibly miss information on your setting. In other words the treadmill just becomes digital and subscription based instead of limited. This feeds into many gamers desire to collect. Honestly it feels good to know you have a complete game, and this again is a big draw to the WW limited games... I can actually have a complete RPG without having thousands upon thousands of books, or paying continuously. </p><p></p><p>3. Finally, IMO, the third disadvatage to this model is that a subscription to DDI is not going to give you information solely focused on your campaign... you will be paying for information that may or may not be focused on the Realms setting. Now I know people will say that you can convert it or find other ways to use it... well you can do this with the nWoD as well, but it feels good to know that if I have no interest in Vampires, or Werewolves, I can buy just my Changeling focused supplements ... DDI in no way allows this option.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 4692851, member: 48965"] Yeah, I've been thinking about this too. You see I think with the limited campaign setting book run, I feel like WotC tried to adapt to a more White Wolf (Changeling the Lost, Promethean, Hunter the Vigil and Geist the Sin Eaters) type of model. But I honestly feel, now that I've gotten a chance to actually see their model that they have messed up in a few ways. 1. Not enough books. Seriously even WW realized with this model the point is to have enough books to have a complete setting yet not force people to jump on a continuous treadmill of supplements. It's suppose to cause the books to become more focused, better written and of better value because of the limited space. WotC with only two real books worth of setting information, IMHO, fails at delivering a satisfying amount of information for a fully fleshed out setting (I mean even Promethean had a total of five books). You see in the WW model those who just want the skeleton buy the corebook and drape their own on it... but those who want depth can purchase the rest of the limited line. 2. Promoting DDI. This I think is another mistake. WotC wants you to buy into DDI to get the rest of the information for your setting, and I think many gamers (will eventually) take issue with this. First the biggest advantage of WW's limited games is that you are off the supplement treadmill at a certain point... yet with the DDI model, you're not really ever getting off of it (until 4e ends), unless you want to possibly miss information on your setting. In other words the treadmill just becomes digital and subscription based instead of limited. This feeds into many gamers desire to collect. Honestly it feels good to know you have a complete game, and this again is a big draw to the WW limited games... I can actually have a complete RPG without having thousands upon thousands of books, or paying continuously. 3. Finally, IMO, the third disadvatage to this model is that a subscription to DDI is not going to give you information solely focused on your campaign... you will be paying for information that may or may not be focused on the Realms setting. Now I know people will say that you can convert it or find other ways to use it... well you can do this with the nWoD as well, but it feels good to know that if I have no interest in Vampires, or Werewolves, I can buy just my Changeling focused supplements ... DDI in no way allows this option. [/QUOTE]
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